Scotland update but depressing

[Cafeaulait27]

I found it a bit depressing that Scotland have said they won’t be lifting all restrictions until august, and even then, masks will probably still be required.

Scotland aiming to lift Covid restrictions by 9 August www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57570939

I’m in England but just feel like this is a bit depressing! Sounds like we’ll have some level of restrictions all summer and then god knows what winter holds?

Just wondered what everyone else’s thoughts were.

@loopthehoopinahoolahoop, But we've never worn masks before for every single contagious cough or splutter. Our own immune systems will just give up. Why now for flu? People who are happy to get their flu jab should take it as normal, others will chose not to, I personally have never been offered it, but wont take it if I am. We are being made to feel absolutely terrified of catching anything. The vulnerable have always had to be over cautious, and I admit it must be hard, but we can't all have our lives altered to protect everyone who's at risk. That's not normal. It's normal to get cold and flu, and it's normal to feel ill with that. We cant live our lives wandering around like we're characters from The Handmaid's Tale, that's what's not normal. If you want to wear a mask, fine, but it should certainly not be compulsory for all. I am certainly doubting Nicola Sturgeon's ideas for a way forward now. I may never ever be out again at this rate!

No way am I wearing a mask just because of colds and flu.

It's honestly a con, the numbers mean nothing as its not transferred to hospitalisations.

3 minutes showing the con using actual government data, not projections

@RedactedTaeFeck

No, numbers of hospitalisations aren't increasing at the same rate as cases, thankfully, but you'd have to be pretty ignorant to insist that hospitalisations (and ICU intakes) are not rising

No, numbers of hospitalisations aren't increasing at the same rate as cases, thankfully, but you'd have to be pretty ignorant to insist that hospitalisations (and ICU intakes) are not rising confused

No, i'm not ignorant but i'll ignore that...

The reason that there are more people in hospital "with" covid is that there are more "cases" in the community so anyone being admitted/attending hospital for any reason is more likely to test positive. It doesn't mean that there are necessarily more people in hospital "because" they are ill with covid.

And even if there was a small rise, is that a problem? The NHS is not overwhelmed, the vulnerable have been offered vaccination and we don't keep people restricted for other infectious diseases that have similar levels of hospitalisation either. And in the meantime people with cancer and other life limiting or fatal conditions are not being identified.

It's beyond ridiculous and completely disproportionate.

Figures in Scotland really high today

Yes but they tested over 42k people. It's normally between 12k and 20ishk is it not?

Well I suppose finding lots of cases, even if they’re asymptomatic, justifies the decision to keep restrictions until August…

@bumbleymummy

Well I suppose finding lots of cases, even if they’re asymptomatic, justifies the decision to keep restrictions until August…

Does it? Why do you think that?

Personally, I don’t think it does. But if I wanted it to look like it was the right decision it would be good to find lots of cases.

Ah I see. I agree, that's why they are encouraging more testing, like the ads say, even if you have no symptoms and have been double jagged you should test twice a week - what bollox

Can't asymptomatic cases still spread?

Apart from Glasgow and some adjacent areas cases have been low in the community in Scotland in a way that haven't been in many areas.
Edinburgh for a city has done very well up until now. So there's far less immunity through exposure. Hence all the young people seem to be getting out at once.

Getting it..

This is why I’m glad to be in Canada. Not because we have fewer restrictions, but because no one in our governments gets our hopes up! Many many months ago, our chief medical officer warned us masks could be needed even 2-3 years after vaccines. They told us it would be a miracle to start mass vaccination campaigns before September (I’m only 28 but had my second jab last week… it’s now looking like anyone who wants to be can be fully vaccinated within the next month!). We’ve been told to hope for in person school in September but prepare for virtual. They set the bar low, then we’re pleased when things turn out moderately less grim. I feel like UK governments keep over promising, and then people are disappointed!

@DumplingsAndStew

Can't asymptomatic cases still spread?

Does it matter if they do?

Overwhelmingly the cases are in the unvaccinated population so we should stop testing and use the resources for more vaccinating.

Phew! Great news here. All A1s ( 5 Nat 5s and 2 Highers).

Pizza and Ice cream tonight, me thinks.

God sorry. Posted on wrong thread 🤭

Brill news aurea!

Does it matter if they do?

Of course it matters

If the virus can be spread by someone without symptoms, then they continue to pass it on, unless they become aware they have it and take steps to reduce infection spread (in this case, through isolating for 10 days)

I know round here it's big and clever to spout that 'cases don't mean illness' and 'all the vulnerable have been vaccinated' and 'It's only the old and disabled who die anyway, who cares?' but most people prefer to NOT pass illness on to other people.

Why is it suddenly "big and clever" to talk the truth? We cannot keep everyone from being infected. Lockdowns have been particularly unhelpful in doing so. In the meantime people are going to die from the lack of diagnosis from things worse than covid but they don't matter it seems.

Because naturally the more cases there are, the more chance of serious illness of death there is. Testing (and isolating) people to identify carriers of infection is a way to reduce the level of infection in circulation.

In the meantime people are going to die from the lack of diagnosis from things worse than covid but they don't matter it seems.

I don't even know what this has to do with testing levels, but your distaste for the elderly and disabled in society is duly noted.

I know 3 separate groups of young people who went to London with the 'Tartan Army'
In all 3 groups at least 50% have tested positive
20k there ,so if this is the amount across the board we could be looking at 10k cases at least
Not that this has been mentioned by the SG
Not that I think the number of cases really matters ,not because I am big or especially clever,I just think it's hospital admissions and deaths that matter

I don't even know what this has to do with testing levels, but your distaste for the elderly and disabled in society is duly noted.

Don't be ridiculous. As it happens my brother in law died from cancer because his diagnosis didn't happen when it should as he was doing his bit and staying away from his GP and his treatment wasn't great either.

Have you even looked at the statistics or are you just spouting shite from a position of ignorance? And who have you noted my distaste with?

Virtually all the "cases" being identified are in the non vaccinated population, hardly anyone is being admitted to hospital and most wont be there because they are ill with covid, deaths are in very low numbers and again, they is no evidence that they are dying from covid, just that they have tested positive.