How likely are double vaccinated people to pass it on?

[Butterflyinglow]

I’m being asked to go back into the office. I haven’t had my second jab yet but it’s only a few weeks away so I’m trying really hard not to catch Covid at this point. There are ten other people in the office and nine of them have had both vaccines, how likely would it be that they could still bring it in and transmit it? They’re socially distanced (ish) but not wearing masks. I genuinely don’t know the answer to this and would happily wear a mask if it would make a difference!

I think it’s too early to tell tbh, there is ongoing research & studies I think the theory at the moment is that it reduces the chance of transmission.
I guess they are waiting for more data.

In the last 2 weeks , I know of 3 people personally that are double jabbed and have contracted Covid.
The main thing is that they all had mild symptoms similar to hay fever or a summer head cold. They are all 40+ yrs

Yes this is what I’m thinking - it’s obviously great for those who are double jabbed, but is it possible that if they’re infected, symptoms could be SO mild/non existent that they actually risk unknowingly passing it to others who haven’t been fully vaccinated yet? Or is that not considered a worry?

Out of ten people who have been double vaccinated:
4 will still get Covid if AZ
1 will still get Covid if Pfizer

It may be that the symptoms are minimised as said by PP but a third of those who have died with Delyta variant have been double vaccinated.

The OP isn't asking if they have symptoms and are double Vaxxed but whether they are contagious

The OP isn't asking if they have symptoms and are double Vaxxed but whether they are contagious
No-one can tell you the answer to that exact question.

How would you recommend the data is gathered to answer that question?

I've worked in a office all through this, one person got covid(not from office from home) and I have health with 100s of contractors.

In the kindest people possible way stop making excuses and get back.

Yeah I wasn’t saying anything about not going back - i’m trying to decide what precautions I might need to take while I’m there? I don’t really understand the data on how transmissible the Delta variant is.

No one can answer your question as we don’t know.

The best thing you can do really is be as cautious as you have always been.

@Againstmachine

I've worked in a office all through this, one person got covid(not from office from home) and I have health with 100s of contractors.

In the kindest people possible way stop making excuses and get back.

Sounds like you're jealous. If OP can work from home effectively, why should she go back before being double vaccinated?

It's not about jealously it's about getting on with the job in hand, they were originally employed to do a job in a office so get back to it and stop moaning and realise millions have never been able to work from home and put theirselves at risk so that OP can be fed ect.

I’ve been wondering the same thing. My logic makes me wonder if vaccinated people are more likely to get it very mildly or asymptotically rather than badly, but because of this spread it unknowingly

Prof Neil Ferguson was on radio 4 this morning talking about this (it was towards the end of the today programme if you wanted to listen back). If I remember correctly he said fully vaccinated people are 50% less likely to transmit if they do catch it, but they’re also much less likely to contract it in the first place (I think he said 80-90% less likely to contract it and very unlikely to get seriously ill if they do).

So with enough people double vaccinated the hope it that both of those reductions added together means that the chains of transmission are broken.

Prof Neil Ferguson was on radio 4 this morning talking about this (it was towards the end of the today programme if you wanted to listen back). If I remember correctly he said fully vaccinated people are 50% less likely to transmit if they do catch it, but they’re also much less likely to contract it in the first place (I think he said 80-90% less likely to contract it and very unlikely to get seriously ill if they do)

Just listened back to check I had remembered properly what he said and this does basically sun it up. It’s really a very encouraging interview, he says that the combined effect of double vaccinated people being much less susceptible to infection and being much less infectious has a really dramatic overall effect. Great news!

Full interview here for anyone who interested - www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000x4vj#p09mb254/How_are_vaccines_and_behaviour_affecting_infection_rates?

So OP, I interpret this as meaning that you’re really very safe in a room full of double vaccinated people, particularly as you’ve had one dose yourself.

I still only know one and of one other that has had Covid since this shit show began.

@Againstmachine

It's not about jealously it's about getting on with the job in hand, they were originally employed to do a job in a office so get back to it and stop moaning and realise millions have never been able to work from home and put theirselves at risk so that OP can be fed ect.

Sounds even more like jealousy to me now. Those of us working from home aren't all watching TV and doing the gardening you realise? Sorry if you really wanted to work from home and weren't allowed to, or able to, but don't take that resentment out on those that could.

@TheMotherlode

Prof Neil Ferguson was on radio 4 this morning talking about this (it was towards the end of the today programme if you wanted to listen back). If I remember correctly he said fully vaccinated people are 50% less likely to transmit if they do catch it, but they’re also much less likely to contract it in the first place (I think he said 80-90% less likely to contract it and very unlikely to get seriously ill if they do).

So with enough people double vaccinated the hope it that both of those reductions added together means that the chains of transmission are broken.

Yes - this was the outcome of the analysis BEFORE Delta. And I remember seeing a reduction in transmission of ~80% after a SINGLE DOSE which was brilliant.

But as others have said, we're still waiting for data on Delta - we know a single jab doesn't do much on suppressing symptomatic infection, but the hope is that the second jab will do the business.

Difficult to put numbers to it at the moment because we’re at an early stage of data collection, but there is already some evidence that those who do get it despite being double jabbed, are less likely to transmit. Page 5 assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/995101/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_24_v2.pdf
Of course if they are in the majority of jabbed people who don’t get infected at all, they can’t transmit it.

Sounds even more like jealousy to me now. Those of us working from home aren't all watching TV and doing the gardening you realise? Sorry if you really wanted to work from home and weren't allowed to, or able to, but don't take that resentment out on those that could.

Nope working from home isn't for me so you are completely wrong.

Maybe try getting in touch for spare vaccines at clinics at the end of the day.

I'm a secondary teacher back at school since sept and April and only had first jab mid may. I didn't catch covid. Some people did catch it, kids and teachers. But a majority didn't. I'd say you're less at risk being in an office.

Precautions wise wear a mask and a bottle of hand sanitizer on your desk?

@StarCat2020

Out of ten people who have been double vaccinated: 4 will still get Covid if AZ 1 will still get Covid if Pfizer

It may be that the symptoms are minimised as said by PP but a third of those who have died with Delyta variant have been double vaccinated.

This is interesting. Any idea about moderna? I suppose it's similar to pifzer?

@TheMotherlode

Prof Neil Ferguson was on radio 4 this morning talking about this (it was towards the end of the today programme if you wanted to listen back). If I remember correctly he said fully vaccinated people are 50% less likely to transmit if they do catch it, but they’re also much less likely to contract it in the first place (I think he said 80-90% less likely to contract it and very unlikely to get seriously ill if they do).

So with enough people double vaccinated the hope it that both of those reductions added together means that the chains of transmission are broken.

When was this data from? Is it true of the Delta variant, or is this the new equivalent of 'teachers don't get Covid [failing to mention 'because they're not in school due to lockdown]', ie using out of date information with a clear intention to falsely reassure or spin a particular message?

The question I want to ask is the reverse of OP's - how likely is it that a double vaccinated person will get Covid if in an enclosed space with 30 people in close contact and no masks, and in the future likely no isolation of contacts of positive cases so no removal of infected but asymptomatic people, for 5-6 hours per day, if that contact is daily for periods of 6 weeks at a time?

using out of date information with a clear intention to falsely reassure or spin a particular message?

Considering Neil Ferguson's contribution to the debate has been to constantly predict a very high death rate I very much doubt he's now changed his tune to fall in line with the government.

The impact on transmission is being monitored and we will get an answer eventually. The OPs individual risk will depend on many factors in addition to her and her officemates vaccination status (but as the only single vaccinated person in an office of double vaccinated people her risk at work must be low). But if her next jab is booked for a few weeks time is it possible for her to pull her appointment forward to make her feel more confident?