How likely are double vaccinated people to pass it on?

[Butterflyinglow]

I’m being asked to go back into the office. I haven’t had my second jab yet but it’s only a few weeks away so I’m trying really hard not to catch Covid at this point. There are ten other people in the office and nine of them have had both vaccines, how likely would it be that they could still bring it in and transmit it? They’re socially distanced (ish) but not wearing masks. I genuinely don’t know the answer to this and would happily wear a mask if it would make a difference!

So did he state - was his data from before delta or during delta? If before delta, did he fully caveat the information that he gave? If not, why not?

@StarCat2020

Out of ten people who have been double vaccinated: 4 will still get Covid if AZ 1 will still get Covid if Pfizer

It may be that the symptoms are minimised as said by PP but a third of those who have died with Delyta variant have been double vaccinated.

That doesn't sound correct to me - what's your source fir this?

@AlmostSummer21. Link on BBC about deaths from Delta variant

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57525891

So 36% of deaths from Delta are people who have been double vaccinated?

It would be really useful to know the age profile, or at least perhaps the vaccine groups - are these the '50-60' age group who have been double vaccinated but are generally fairly healthy, or are they actually those who were, because of their very great age and / or frailty, in the very first groups to be vaccinated?

@cantkeepawayforever

So 36% of deaths from Delta are people who have been double vaccinated?

It would be really useful to know the age profile, or at least perhaps the vaccine groups - are these the '50-60' age group who have been double vaccinated but are generally fairly healthy, or are they actually those who were, because of their very great age and / or frailty, in the very first groups to be vaccinated?

Yeah they appear to be hiding that information from the general public

In terms of age profile of deaths this is Scotland’s for the last 7 days.

I went away with a group of 12 of us. All double jabbed.

8 of us are now positive. The 4 that aren’t? They’d had it before (and post second jab too).

It just reduces the severity, it doesn’t stop you contracting or transmitting.

@ConnectedToSandsview

I went away with a group of 12 of us. All double jabbed.

8 of us are now positive. The 4 that aren’t? They’d had it before (and post second jab too).

It just reduces the severity, it doesn’t stop you contracting or transmitting.

Do you have link to the data that shows the vaccine doesnt stop any transmission please?

On first reading that seems at odds with the general message we are getting

@ClarisseMcClellan

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

Drastically lower transmission rate, but still transmitting.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/health.clevelandclinic.org/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others/amp/

Plus, all the data shows that anyone testing positive can transmit the virus (www.who.int/vietnam/news/detail/14-07-2020-q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted#:~:text=Yes%2C%20infected%20people%20can,%2C%20receive%20medical%20care.)

Double jabbed people are less likely to have severe symptoms. Anecdotal evidence here, but 3 of the 8 of us who tested positive have zero symptoms, and are only aware they are positive because we were PCR tested at the airport on arrival home. 6 days later and still no symptoms for any of them, but still testing positive. Therefore the risk of asymptomatic transmission is still there, and (in my opinion) a danger because many people think they’re safe / immune because they’ve been vaccinated.

The thing is, if you’re vaccinated with no symptoms, you won’t be testing. So how would you know if you’re positive and asymptomatic? Where I live, despite being vaccinated, I need a PCR every 7 days to be allowed into the office.

[quote ConnectedToSandsview]@ClarisseMcClellan

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

Drastically lower transmission rate, but still transmitting.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/health.clevelandclinic.org/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others/amp/

Plus, all the data shows that anyone testing positive can transmit the virus (www.who.int/vietnam/news/detail/14-07-2020-q-a-how-is-covid-19-transmitted#:~:text=Yes%2C%20infected%20people%20can,%2C%20receive%20medical%20care.)

Double jabbed people are less likely to have severe symptoms. Anecdotal evidence here, but 3 of the 8 of us who tested positive have zero symptoms, and are only aware they are positive because we were PCR tested at the airport on arrival home. 6 days later and still no symptoms for any of them, but still testing positive. Therefore the risk of asymptomatic transmission is still there, and (in my opinion) a danger because many people think they’re safe / immune because they’ve been vaccinated.

The thing is, if you’re vaccinated with no symptoms, you won’t be testing. So how would you know if you’re positive and asymptomatic? Where I live, despite being vaccinated, I need a PCR every 7 days to be allowed into the office.[/quote]
I'm not a scientist but logically if it's reducing transmission it can only be doing that by stopping some transmission

It's not that everyone transmits a bit less, surely with a binary choice the vaccinnes must be stopping some people from transmitting or the rates would stay the same and the severity would decrease?

Is that right?

@Butterflyinglow what age are you? We have local walk in clinics offering COVID jabs to 18 to 39 year olds, and if you are older you could try phoning to rearrange your second appointment and get an earlier one.

Thanks all, these replies are really helpful to me.

@ConnectedToSandsview this is along the lines of what I’m thinking; I was in the office from September to Christmas and bizarrely felt safer then because, although rates were sky high where I live, I assumed that most people would have symptoms and therefore NOT come in, but now they’re all vaccinated I’m wondering if they could unknowingly spread it! It’s just an unnerving time waiting to be fully vaccinated when so many others are already done and relaxing their behaviour accordingly.

@WeeMadArthur good idea, I’ve been trying but all the walk-in clinics locally are still requiring an 8 week gap between doses and I’m only on week 5!

I’m truly not trying to avoid going back in, I MUCH prefer being in the office to wfh. But I have a very young child and ending up with Long Covid is something I really want to avoid, so for the sake of a few more weeks I’m just trying to stay as protected as possible.

@Whyevencare

Thank you for the link. That's a bit scary for me personally. I'm double jabbed but after a year of almost shielding, quarantining/washing shopping, not having anyone in my home/not being inside anywhere with others etc etc etc. (Health issues). I'm unavoidably having to have several people a day coming into my home (mask wearing but even so) and I'm
Physically unable to wash/quarantine shopping etc.

With the increase in cases, I feel like a sitting duck. I'm LFT testing, so I can catch it early if I do get it, washing hands, not sure what more I can do in this situation 😩

The studies linked to above were all pre-Delta, AFAIK nobody has analysed transmission data for Delta yet - it's too early - the data just won't be there.

As far as the BBC report above - the reason for the "scary" numbers shown is quite simply that the group that has been double jabbed includes all the most vulnerable people, while the group which is unjabbed is mostly young/low risk people. Given that the relative risk ratio between an unvaccinated 80 year old and a 20 year old is about 1000:1 (off the top of my head), this is going to skew the death numbers massively!

i.e. if the group that were double-jabbed, had NOT been jabbed, instead of 26 dying, it would have been several hundred

That doesn't sound correct to me - what's your source fir this?
Public Health England

www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses

It is so wrong that the Government use the terminology "double jabbed" and "the vaccine" as if there is only one vaccine.

If I was talking about "the car" you would not expect people to accept that all cars are the same.