Why are children suddenly more susceptible?

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

I've been hearing a lot lately about how now with so many vaccinated more and more children are being seen in the ER and getting reactions to Covid. But why? Is it the Delta variant? Are they just testing more? Previously the govt would report children aren't really impacted by covid hence they don't need to wear masks etc, but now as it seems infections and serious side effects / deaths are being cut in the adult vax'd population all of a sudden children have been made as more prominent carriers and sufferers of covid. But why? Is this just media saying so? Is the delta variant worse for kids? Why is it that now they seem to care more about the infections with children than before??

@lavenderandwisteria

That's interesting and makes sense, thank you.

What about those who believe Covid is a complete hoax? What reason would they have for believing the government want to force vaccination on everyone?

Please don’t post such scaremongering rubbish op

This variant is no more an issue for kids than the last one

Kids are very very low risk of illness at all never mind serious illness

That applies to CEV kids too

Other countries are also delaying kids eg Germany only offering to CEV kids not all

Right now there’s some manipulation in the media

They’ll want kids vaccinated - dispite common sense saying it’s too soon - because a load of adults can’t be arsed getting it done

@ZednotZee

To coin a phrase, well to quote a song really.

If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

Eye.

Vaccinate your kids with a largely untested vaccine for the benefit of other people.

No thanks.

The kids that developed narcolepsy in 2010 because of the swine flu vaccine have ONLY just been paid compensation despite the government taking them to court three times to stop it.

@titchy

There's no increase in children being hospitalised at all - where do you get that idea from? It's been consistent and pretty low throughout.

Dont think thsts true. A peadiatric nurse we know has said for first time the ward is full with children, especially long covid

Right now there’s some manipulation in the media

Your not bloody wrong. Ive just watched GMB (the morning scaremongering show) where they were discussing that kids could go against their parents wishes and get the jab. One of them even suggested the Gillick competency test - which was thankfully rebuffed!

This will soon turn in to - get your kids vaccinated so they can go school.They are already pushing it from the 'it will stop class closures'.

Dont think thsts true. A peadiatric nurse we know has said for first time the ward is full with children, especially long covid

I'd rather go off what the NHS are reporting and real life stats than hearsay. Did your nurse friend tell you that all these children were perfectly healthy before hand? Or that they had underlying issues already?

@Scrambledcustard

Do you not support Gillick Competency?

Children are not more susceptible their is an increase in testing. All children are tested when they arrive at hospital where I work, a lot them are hospitalised for other reasons but happen to be asymptotic. They are then reported as being hospitalised with covid

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Scrambledcustard

Do you not support Gillick Competency?[/quote]
In my every day practice at work - yes. But not for a largely untested vaccine especially in children. This show will be seen by children getting ready for school. Its telling them that you can have a vaccine with out your parents consent. Why is a TV show pushing that children move away from parental guidance? I'd put money on it the vaccine is going to be offered in schools before the year is out.

Im appalled at GMB this morning for suggesting it.

Also testing in school pushing the numbers up, then the government have the data to say oh look it’s spreading in school, all these poor kids self isolating, it’s control by the state in it’s highest form, terrifying

[quote LivinLaVidaLoki]@TheClaws, I read @BogRollBOGOF s comment as 2 separate points.

1 that children have been out of sports and activities for so long it's good that they are now back as the long term impacts of lack of sport and activity on children is now being talked about

2 That the biggest detriment to our children at the moment is the amount of isolation which disrupts everything in their lives

Not that covid positive kids should carry on as normal but that an alternative to isolating multiple children, multiple times when another child has tested positive, when the likelihood that they have also picked it up is quite low.

It would be interesting to know how many people identified as contacts in this way then went on to develop covid.[/quote]

I agree on your first point, but I'm a bit iffy from then onwards. To quote BOGOF's pos, specifically the part I have issues with:

"The risk of serious and long term consequences of Covid to children remains very low. As long as cases are flagged up through testing rather than being ill enough to require medical attention then there isn't a significant problem. The practical problem is policies of isolation that draw out the spread of cases rather than allowing school age pupils to naturally develop immunity and let an outbreak pass quickly within a few weeks. Vaccination of the adult population has slashed the risks in the wider community."

I interpret this as saying that isolation draws out an outbreak in the community, and it's better to allow school-age kids to continue their activities and develop immunity in a natural fashion. As the adult community is largely vaccinated, there won't be much of an issue there. (These are not my thoughts, BTW, before anyone jumps on me!)

If I'm wrong here, @BogRollBOGOF please correct me.

Threads on here suddenly pop up to say how much more at risk kids 🙄 I think there is a massive agenda

The Delta varient doesn't seem to be much worse in children ( as far as I can tell). I don't think that is true of the dominant variant in Brazil . I am not sure of the Greek alphabet name of that one but it used to be called P1. Luckily for us vaccines work very well against that one and it doesn't spread as quickly as delta so it fizzled out here . Unfortunately for Brazil it has spread really widely and there has been a much higher death rate there , with a much larger proportion of younger people dying ( though even there children are still proportionately much less affected) .That is what happens when the leader of a country refuses to introduce any measures

I think the stories of children being much worse affected by Delta here are being exaggerated though and I never say that about Covid and usually roll my eyes at claims of Covid being a fuss about nothing.

Of course it affects some children but even a tiny of fraction of a percent of multiple millions ,results in what seems quite large number when dealing with very ill children.

Scott Gottlieb sums this up nicely, imo, "It's just math that if more kids get infected, even if the rate of bad outcomes in kids is very low, more kids are going to have bad outcomes because more of them are getting infected,"