Why?!!!

[MrsWarleggan]

Just got a text to self isolate after being in close contact last week with a positive case.

I had Covid in November and am double jabbed.....what is the chuffing point?!!!

I actually asked the T&T people why I have to self isolate and was told "because you need to protect the people who have chosen to not have the vaccine and to stop the spread". I also asked whether irrespective of vaccines would everyone have to self isolate until the end of time. They couldn't answer me.

I just genuinely don't understand. The rest of the household doesn't have to isolate as we have absolutely no symptoms, but I do school drop off and pick up due to DH working 12 hour shifts, so now my perfectly healthy DD can't go to school....for absolutely no reason.

Am I alone in my thinking???

How come they got your number? Is it via the app or did you give it to a restaurant or something?

I wouldn't do it, although I know that's legally difficult now you've actually spoken to t&t. Double jab'd and you've had covid, there is no way you're a risk to anyone.

@Tryingtryingandtrying

The person who tested positive gave it to them.

I'm buggered if I'd severely inconvenience myself, my family and my employer just to protect some selfish arseholes who refuse to have the vaccine. Tough shit. If they are stupid enough to not have the vaccine, they can bloody well catch it. Serve them right.

Double jab'd and you've had covid, there is no way you're a risk to anyone.

Erm, she can still give it to others. That's the whole point.

@blacksax

I'm buggered if I'd severely inconvenience myself, my family and my employer just to protect some selfish arseholes who refuse to have the vaccine. Tough shit. If they are stupid enough to not have the vaccine, they can bloody well catch it. Serve them right.

It can still kill those who've had the vaccine. The vaccine doesn't stop deaths, it reduces it.

I read in the mail yesterday that they are in talks about not making vaccinated people isolate soon and to test every few days instead.

Test and trace workers are just there to pass the message. They are not decision makers

Do you know where and when you had contact?

Do what you feel is right.

I do not believe your children should miss school.

The vaccines do not appear to be the magic formula for freedom that we have all been lead to believe they are. I think people are starting to realise this now.

@VerticalHorizon

Then what is the point? Seriously?

I'm not asking that flippantly or with an attitude . A genuine, genuine question!

Erm, she can still give it to others. That's the whole point.

She has a very low likelihood, though, right? With the vaccine stopping the vast majority of infections, and then in the minority who do get infected probably reducing transmission by 40-60%?

So yes, it’s not zero risk but much lower than someone vaccinated with one dose or unvaccinated.

It will be interesting to see how policy evolves to keep pace with the relative risk.

@bellsbuss

Something that I am totally prepared to do. It's 30 minutes a day out of my life for 10 days. Not 240 hours everytime I'm near someone.

Completely agree with you OP.

I have no interest in going out of my way to protect those who choose not to have it though

yes, we should make them wear dunce caps so that we can tell who they are.

or have their pensions stopped, or better still have them publicly flogged.

Maybe we could campaign to get their children taken from them, too.

Yes, I agree it's bonkers and you have to do it even if you have negative tests each day too.

I get it. My six year old had to isolate last week when a member of staff tested positive. Two PCRs and various lateral flows and not one of the kids tested positive. And yet they couldn’t even go to the park. Even though they didn’t have Covid 🤷🏻‍♀️

@JassyRadlett

Erm, she can still give it to others. That's the whole point.

She has a very low likelihood, though, right? With the vaccine stopping the vast majority of infections, and then in the minority who do get infected probably reducing transmission by 40-60%?

So yes, it’s not zero risk but much lower than someone vaccinated with one dose or unvaccinated.

It will be interesting to see how policy evolves to keep pace with the relative risk.

Hummm, not really.

The vaccine isn't stopping the vast majority of infections, it is reducing them (let's say by 50%), so instead of an r-Rate of about 1.4, it might fall to 0.7 for the vaccinated individual, which eventually will lead to the dying out of the virus. However, not everybody is vaccinated, so the overall r-Rate will be higher than 0.7 but less that 1.4. As a rough guess, 0.9 say. In effect, the virus still dies out, but takes a longer to do so, and thus more deaths occur.

It's not a 'low likelihood' of passing it on.

because you need to protect the people who have chosen to not have the vaccine and to stop the spread".

They said that? As opposed to 'to pro text those who have not as yet been vaccinated' or similar? That's a huge chip on the persons shoulder that you spoke to if they are blaming people who choose not to have a vaccine whilst ignoring the very obvious issue that not everyone has been able to access it yet. I would complain about that person fro bringing their own personal bullshit into work.

The evidence is strong surely that the vaccines to reduce an infected person spreading it? It wasn't until a couple of months ago but then the evidence was updated and the numbers were impressive.

It makes no sense.

Why the push to vaccinate ever younger people if all it achieves is reduced symptoms?

[quote MrsWarleggan]@VerticalHorizon

Then what is the point? Seriously?

I'm not asking that flippantly or with an attitude . A genuine, genuine question![/quote]
It's a fair question.

I think ultimately vaccinations have saved our bacon in the UK. Without them, the government would have had disastrous results.

In some senses (probably the view you are taking), the government is inviting the virus is, whilst we are trying to fight it.
In my view, I do not disagree with the above, but I'd still rather save a few extra lives, even if we could have saved a lot more with better choices.

Even if government might be lighting fires left right and centre, does that mean we should stop trying to put out any fire?

@blacksax

I'm buggered if I'd severely inconvenience myself, my family and my employer just to protect some selfish arseholes who refuse to have the vaccine. Tough shit. If they are stupid enough to not have the vaccine, they can bloody well catch it. Serve them right.

What about those of us waiting for our 2nd dose? My teens stayed in for months to protect the old and vulnerable but they are bit getting that same respect in return whilst they patiently await their jabs

The answer to why, is because the Prime Minister is too busy worrying about the colour and expense of his wallpaper to ensure that there is a sensible and logical system in place.

If they actually wanted you to isolate they would have put in a place a payment system for it.
If they actually wanted you to isolate they would not spend their time defending their advisors eye tests.
If they actually wanted you to isolate Gove would have done after his jolly in Portugal.
I could go on.

@TinaYouFatLard

It makes no sense.

Why the push to vaccinate ever younger people if all it achieves is reduced symptoms?

Because:

1. Not everybody is vaccinated, regardless of reason. So if the virus continues to spread, it will still result in more deaths.

2. It isn't a national issue, it's a global one, and so young people could very easily carry the virus abroad and start infections there, resulting in more deaths

3. The more the virus is allowed to spread, the more it will mutate. Right now, we can normally survive the mutations, but the more mutations we get, the greater the risk of one evading the vaccine, or having other deadlier attributes. So even if we can all cope with the virus in its current forms, we don't want to perpetuate it until it mutates into a form we cannot deal with.

That is not to say a deadlier mutation WILL happen. It's just that the greater number of mutations, the larger the probability of it happening.

Oh, and those who HAVE been vaccinated can still die from it. We absolutely must not forget that. It seems to be taken as read that once you've had the vaccine, you're 100% safe. You're not.