New York are lifting all covid restrictions this week

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And yet the Daily Mail are reporting a 'leaked' document of WFH / masks forever and more restrictions in winter.

Surely the people that can will start to emigrate to countries that haven't fucked this up so badly if this way of living carries on and other countries return to normal...

there is a strong chance Delta will get in

The Delta variant is already in the US and numbers are going up. Parts of the country (not NYC, but places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, etc) will be very vulnerable, because their vaccination rates are only around 35%. Because the US border is open to US citizens and residents they will have lots of cases, because there are lots of people with Indian heritage/dual citizenship living in the US.

The US and the UK have actually had pretty similar experiences of Covid, the only major difference being the power of individual states to impose their own mask mandates/lockdowns/or not, whereas our response has been nationwide.

Delta rates are rising in US. It is out competing alpha.

Agreed @GoldenOmber

@HSHorror I live in NYC. We also have the J+J one shot vaccine. A lot of pop-up clinics were offering that at one point and I had a few friends who had that one. Most people I know got the Moderna though, even through the side effects could be a bit grim.

Not quite all the restrictions are being lifted - there are still mark wearing requirements and my toddler still has to wear a mask to daycare until he gets vaccinated. Things de feel almost back to normal though - it's really nice compared to this spring and summer last year.

Yes ny more dense.
But it is like saying london could do this.
Ny has better summer weather than uk. Just looked all sunshine for next week. Except 1 day. So activites outside.

Maybe they dont need lft
If people wear masks at school
Have a list of more than 3 symptoms. They would be testing with symptoms

They have a 3m summer break too

This is cultural, it doesn’t have much to do with situational differences. Americans value freedoms more than Europeans, it’s a huge part of their cultural DNA.

In my view their approach is a much more reasonable balancing of priorities than ours.

They also don’t seem worried about variants. (Possibly because there’s little hard evidence that they are much of a concern)

Besides, cases there are low and falling rapidly, because they weren't too busy licking Modi's arse to pay attention to Delta.

Whilst I so think Boris has got this very very wrong re India, this variant isn't going anywhere and is going to spread throughout the world. I don't think the vaccination rates in USA really stack up to actually having this thing beaten. So I think we watch and wait.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

The UK government rightly or wrongly wants to continue to be be very cautious.

When was it planning on starting to be very cautious?

Well...

After an interesting start from some POV and in some areas of the restrictions it does seems to have become very cautious in the last few weeks.........

Many parents with young children will disagree that NYC is fully open:

twitter.com/Jusrangers/status/1404877012037246982

NY is now fully open without restrictions... except for schools. In fact, low-risk children in June 2021 are being treated like high-risk nursing home residents in June 2020. Adults can go to a packed restaurant tonight, but kindergartners will be masked at recess tomorrow.

I am very happy I am not in NYC and my 4 year old DD has been able to live the past year pretty normally, attending full-time school, learning and not worrying about the pandemic. It is OK to expect adults to wear masks and socially distance. It is not OK to impose it on low risk children.

I disagree and would rather have had kids in masks and fewer restrictions that us and the kids have to pay back for.
Plus friends in nyc havent caught covid.

This gov is going to cost a lot of people their long term health.

They can go out for meals because the kids are wearing masks. Note bj is talking about releasing restrictions when the schools break up..

They can go out for meals because the kids are wearing masks

And we can go our for meals in England without kids having to wear masks

@wintertravel1980 They have to wear a mask here as soon as they turn 2. It breaks my heart to put one on my toddler every day.

Say what you like about the UK’s poor response to COVID, but this native New Yorker recognises the U.K. got one priority right: schools couldn’t be closed if the pubs and restaurants weren’t. It really is shocking how poorly the schools performed in the US with their “hybrid” day-on-day-off approach, no priority given to keeping children of key workers in school, really just a shitshow. And yet people were still going to bars and restaurants.

There is zero evidence that would support mask effectiveness for younger kids. WHO does not recommend masks for children under 6 in any circumstances. Many US states (including NYC) require masks for children aged 2 and above. This is completely non-sensical. The rule is not there to protect children - it just feeds adults' anxiety and makes it look as if the rule makers were "doing something".

@Bloomsbury45

The US has the highest death rate from Covid per capita in the developed world so I would not hold them up as a shing example of a country which had managed this well.

New York has a very high vaccination rate now. All adults have been offered the vaccine for free and most have taken up the offer. Vulnerable children have also been vaccinated.

So not surprising they now feel able to lift restrictions. When other countries/ regions have a similar vaccination rate they will be able to do the same. The UK is not there yet.

Er...

According to Johns Hopkins, these countries all have higher death rates from Covid per capita than the US - you'll notice the UK is in that list.

Peru, Hungary, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Czechia, San Marino, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Brazil, Moldova, Slovakia, Belgium, Slovenia, Italy, Croatia, Poland, Argentina, Colombia, UK.

@mommybunny

Say what you like about the UK’s poor response to COVID, but this native New Yorker recognises the U.K. got one priority right: schools couldn’t be closed if the pubs and restaurants weren’t. It really is shocking how poorly the schools performed in the US with their “hybrid” day-on-day-off approach, no priority given to keeping children of key workers in school, really just a shitshow. And yet people were still going to bars and restaurants.

It depends where you live. I've found the US experience of schools to be much better than the UK experience. My kids have had continuous education since last March - some of it at home, some hybrid and some in school. They've taken their APs, SATs, etc.

Mind you, in my state they didn't reopen bars until pretty much after everything else.

According to Johns Hopkins, these countries all have higher death rates from Covid per capita than the US - you'll notice the UK is in that list.

The "golden standard" for comparing mortality is excess deaths.
US is higher than the UK:

www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

It depends where you live. I've found the US experience of schools to be much better than the UK experience. My kids have had continuous education since last March - some of it at home, some hybrid and some in school. They've taken their APs, SATs, etc

Minus the SAT'S as they are too young- that's my experience too in the UK. They have had continuous in classroom schooling when schools have been open and well organised and excellent home schooling provision.

I guess it really depends on the school.

[quote wintertravel1980]According to Johns Hopkins, these countries all have higher death rates from Covid per capita than the US - you'll notice the UK is in that list.

The "golden standard" for comparing mortality is excess deaths.
US is higher than the UK:

www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker[/quote]
I see the US is even lower by global standards on that list - 25th as compared to 20th on the John's Hopkins list.

These countries have higher excess death rates per capita.

Peru, Bulgaria, Mexico, Russia, Serbia, Lithuania, Ecuador, North Macedonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, South Africa, Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Albania, Brazil, Portugal, Kosovo, Kazakhstan, Italy, Slovenia.

@Wakeupin2022

It depends where you live. I've found the US experience of schools to be much better than the UK experience. My kids have had continuous education since last March - some of it at home, some hybrid and some in school. They've taken their APs, SATs, etc

Minus the SAT'S as they are too young- that's my experience too in the UK. They have had continuous in classroom schooling when schools have been open and well organised and excellent home schooling provision.

I guess it really depends on the school.

That's great. It's certainly not been the experience for any of my nieces, nephews or friends' children in the UK.

SATs and APs are the equivalent of GCSEs and A levels in the UK.

[quote allfurcoatnoknickers]@wintertravel1980 They have to wear a mask here as soon as they turn 2. It breaks my heart to put one on my toddler every day.[/quote]
I find this horrific. For all the things we've got wrong in the UK, thank goodness we didn't make young children wear masks. Toddlers are babies in my eyes.

Ny has better summer weather than uk. Just looked all sunshine for next week. Except 1 day. So activites outside.

You have clearly never spent a summer in NYC if you think this! NYC is BOILING and EXTREMELY HUMID in summer, so much so that it's really unpleasant to be outside in the heat of the day, so what do people do? They stay indoors, in the aircon and go out in the evenings after the sun goes down, when it's cooler.

@bellamountain in Scotland children from age 5 have to wear them in shops and on public transport.
Ds1 was 3 when this all started and I thought 'well at least he won't have to wear a mask'. He's 5 soon

Delta is there. They’re just not freaking the fuck out about it like the U.K.

Ultimately, I think most Western nations will end up with similar tolerance levels to Covid infection levels. The populations won’t be happy about being outliers.