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What is the latest in other countries

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Cantstandsmugness · 10/06/2021 20:21

Really keen to get a true idea of what you can and cannot do all over the world. For examples can you attend
Cinemas
Eating out
Weddings
Travel
Sporting fixtures
Is there compulsory Mask wearing
Are we all getting there? Please mention the country.

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StartupRepair · 11/06/2021 22:58

Many Australians have family in other countries who they will not see probably for at least another year and there is a lot of anguish about that.

NaughtyPrudence · 12/06/2021 00:15

Forgot to add for Italy, I'm 51 and had my first jab last week. Friends in their 40s had theirs this week. Regions vary on the vaccine progress.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 12/06/2021 02:44

@StartupRepair

Many Australians have family in other countries who they will not see probably for at least another year and there is a lot of anguish about that.
Yes, it’s very tough having family in NZ and Australia. Hoping to see my family in a year, and genuinely wondering if it will be possible.
arcof · 12/06/2021 03:31

Southern US.

Kids been back at school in person full time since last August.
Vaccine in copious supply.
No mask mandate in place anymore.
At worst things closed for 8 weeks in April/ May but otherwise everything's been open with some capacity restrictions which eased months ago.
It's hardly even mentioned on news anymore

I honestly think much of the issue for the Uk is the NHS. One thing América has for all its shortcomings is tons of hospital capacity.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 12/06/2021 03:35

arcof - are you in a state with a low vaccination rate? I’m interested to know what will happen if the Delta variant does go through schools. Think they’ll just let it rip?

I feel like the US is two countries when it comes to Covid and I’m not all that well informed about the southern states.

Andromache77 · 12/06/2021 03:56

Spain
Schools have been open all year, with reduced class numbers for primary and combined presential/distance learning for secondary (one week in, one week at home with distance learning). It's been quite a success, at least as far as keeping schools open is concerned -and, I believe, academically as well-, and far better than the absolute mess of last school year, which for all intents and purposes ended in March for many children. Of course, if children tested positive they were sent home for 10 days or so, but it's been happening less and less at our school and in fact we have been very lucky and our youngest's class have had no interruptions at all. Testing is not widespread, by the way, only if you show symptoms or have been in close contact with some who does. Children over 6 wear masks at school and everywhere, just like grownups.

All teachers are vaccinated, although many are only getting their second jab these days because of all the brouhaha about the AstraZeneca vaccine (they got their first doses at Easter). Same with all essential workers.

After a slow start (and AstraZeneca paranoia), the vaccination campaign is gathering speed. Most older people and essential workers are fully vaccinated and in my region they've just started allowing those born in 1984 to book their appointments. I'm a bit older (early forties) so I got my appointment earlier this week, I'm getting my first jab next Monday. We expect most adults to be vaccinated, at least with one dose, somewhere during the next month or two. I guess teenagers will come next, so far I believe it's not approved for them but it cannot be far off.

Bars and restaurants have been open for months but only outdoors, until about two weeks ago when indoor dining was permitted again, with reduced capacity (no idea what percentage). There has been no curfew for about a month and some concerts are taking place as an experiment (which appears to be working, as far as I know). Cinemas are open, museums too; shops have been open with reduced capacity since last year, with only temporary closures after the Christmas third wave.

We still wear masks everywhere, even outdoors, although we expect them to be dropped outdoors at some point in the near future. Indoors, I don't think so, at least until more people are fully vaccinated and we know what impact the Indian strain has in practical terms. But as far as I'm concerned, not wearing a mask outdoors would be good enough for me, last summer walking around with one on was not fun.

In general, there is no sense of impending doom anymore and with so many people getting vaccinated -every time appointments open for a new cohort, the app half crashes- we are feeling cautiously optimistic. However, I don't think we will be travelling anywhere just yet, too many things could go wrong here or abroad, it's just not worth it.

user1471439310 · 12/06/2021 04:37

I live n Pennsylvania which is in the US. We are really completely open as long as you have had both vaccines. Everything is open with full capacity. You can walk into an pharmacy and get the vaccine and children as young as 12 are getting one. You must wear a mask if you haven't had the vaccines but I'm betting those who don't believe in it are lying or doing whatever they want.

westcoast · 12/06/2021 05:11

CHILE reporting in, we have a “phase system” depending on how many cases are in your “communa” (area). It goes from 1-5, one being the most restrictive.

We are back in phase one for all of the city of Santiago (there is Santiago the city then Santiago the communa) as of 5am tomorrow. My communa was phase two which meant freedom M-F 5am -10pm, restaurants were open outdoors with a max of four per table, up to five (I think) people could come to your dwelling M-F, no permits during the week. Permits needed to shop (only groceries, no department stores or anything) on the weekends and no one could visit.

Phase one means you cannot leave you dwelling without a permit, you get two a week for two hours each, you can only use one on the weekend. Masks at all times, even outside, all playgrounds, public spaces, cinemas etc closed. Take away delivery only. You can also get medical permits to see your doctor and a few other types, you have to upload proof of an appointment. If you have a child with special needs you can get a permit to take them outside for a couple of hours each day, with a doctors note.

Got a dog? Want to go for a walk or bike ride? You can exercise it in the morning without a permit but cannot mix with others from 7-9am. Masks on. I’m not sure if as of tomorrow that’s allowed.

Vaccine rate? 75,8% of the population over 22 have had their first shot. 58,5% over 22 have also had their second shot. If you are undocumented you cannot get the vaccine, this is driving me crazy, I’m my opinion it’s one of the biggest causes of spreading as these people are generally quite poor and live in less than stellar dwellings with multiple people, to say the least. I feel for them and know of a few “underground vaccines places” but many are too scared to go. I’m my personal opinion I don’t think the government really cares about them or the poor the last health minister said something like “I didn’t even know poor people lived they way they do”. My Spanish is ok but I can’t give you a 100% translation of what he said, that the gist.

The thing is about Santiago is it’s a economically disjunct city. For instance I live in a neighbourhood that houses most of the embassies and diplomatic residences/multinational offices, it’s so clean and safe, drive 20 minutes? I’m in an incredibly poor area with lots of multi family homes and people who live day to day, they’d rather risk the fines and go out to work, they couldn’t afford the fines anyway, I don’t blame them. Drive 20 minutes the other way and it’s full of gated mansion communities like you’d find in very wealthy areas of California with 24/7 security, just without the beach!

Also clandestine parties have been happening before the vaccine rollout but the police won’t break them up in my area of my communa as they are too worried it will be a diplómat or someone too powerful. Yes, I’m looking at my neighbours who have partied their way though covid…many have a diplomatic pass so the rules don’t apply.

We live in a good size apartment with a large terrace which is now a mix of a soft play area and my husband’s “office”. The building also has a pool and large garden, gym and movie theatre - all closed. We used to be able to book the gym, movie area, pool and garden by hour but now that is banned.

The border is shut unless with a special permit, it will be kept shut for the foreseeable future.

This comes off the back of major political unrest in 2019 where the military were on the streets fully armed, a curfew and then we kind of drifted into covid - it’s not been easy. If you’d like to read more you can here en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–2021_Chilean_protests

Many of our friends have been pulled out by their companies, I’d say 80% have left. Almost every American expat (those only supposed to be here for 2-3 years) as opposed to immigrants have left excluding embassy staff and a few CEO’s.

Honestly we have it so good compared to many here, I have an app that allows me to use a “shopper” who has a work permit to go and shop for me, if planned well I put the order in at 8am and get it by 2pm at the latest. They added a tipping function so I tip big as I know they are badly paid and risking their lives, I’d suggest many are undocumented thus unvaccinated by no fault of their own. They leave my order with my doorman/woman and he/she calls me to come down after the delivery has arrives. So the permits don’t really bother me because I have the luxury of paying for these services.

This is already too long but I’ve had my first Pfizer two weeks ago, I accessed it (it’s in short supply here) as opposed to the Sinovac as my doctor wrote me a note. I’ll go back next week to get the second. Then wait three weeks and will be eligible for a “mobility pass” which means I don’t need a permit, do need a mask and can’t meet with others.

Andromache77 · 12/06/2021 05:38

Hi Westcoast, that sounds tough. How come you're back in lockdown with such a high percentage of the population already vaccinated? Here in Spain, as of yesterday, we were at 44,3% of adults with one dose and 25,9% fully vaccinated and the situation is really quite good. Having said that, obviously it's summer here so being outdoors more often helps, but even last winter without vaccines it wasn't that bad (save for the Christmas third wave, and we all know what happened there, a sudden surge of indoor gatherings).

olivethegreat · 12/06/2021 06:12

Gosh @westcoast that takes me back to our dark days and they weren't as dark as that. Is this because the hospitals are overrun? Thanks for writing such a descriptive post, very interesting

I'm really intrigued by the US doing so well. It will be interesting to see how this goes over the next few months with delta there and hopefully if all good will provide an example for us . I am so done with masks, I am double vaccinated (early, as I queued hours for a walk in), so lucky.

I wonder if when the UK's breakthrough will be when we start vaccinating teenagers in the UK

westcoast · 12/06/2021 06:14

I don’t know, we don’t understand, why with such a high vaccination rate? I think it is because of the lack of hospital space but maybe also for political reasons as per my previous link.

The gov gives mixed messages.

Humphriescushion · 12/06/2021 06:44

Thanks for that @ westcoat is really intteresting to read, brings it much more alive than just figures. Hope things get better soon.

MareofBeasttown · 12/06/2021 08:58

I don't think anyone wants to hear what it is like in India.:(

Andromache77 · 12/06/2021 11:11

Actually, yes, @Mateosbeasttown, if you have first hand info I would very much like to know. Here in Europe the news cycle has moved on and we are not getting much in the way of updates lately. Let's not forget that this a pandemic and we're all in it, albeit with different public resources and approaches, of course.

Andromache77 · 12/06/2021 11:12

I meant to address that to @MareofBeasttown, obviously.

MareofBeasttown · 12/06/2021 12:17

Am in the UK but most of my family in India. The news is not good even tho the second wave is easing.
Schools shut since March 2020!
Lockdown across the country wt restaurants, malls, non essential shops and public places shut
Vaccination has been going on since Jan and my whole family has been vaccinated but they are in the cities and therefore privileged. Overall only 2% of the population vaccinated which is not enough.
Hearing of many deaths among the young who may not have got double vaccinated. Just lost a friend who wasnt even 40 Sad

NannyAndJohn · 12/06/2021 12:24

It makes me weep how people can see what's happening in India and still think we should be doing away with restrictions.

I hope your family are safe, @MareofBeasttown.

Andromache77 · 12/06/2021 13:31

That's awful, @MareofBeasttown, my condolences.

MareofBeasttown · 12/06/2021 18:22

Thanks @Andromache77 and @NannyAndJohn. Let's hope things improve.

JaninaDuszejko · 12/06/2021 19:38

It's interesting how quite a few countries, the US being the main one are allowing masks to be ditched once fully vaccinated. I'm sure that advice here would go a long way in boosting vaccination numbers amongst people who think they are being controlled by the government

Because of the NHS we are the most trusting of vaccines in the world (and we did invent them after all!). There is a much bigger anti-vax contingent in the US than the UK. The wearing of masks in the US has been very political as well. So the politics around masks and vaccines has been much more divided in the US than the UK which explains the decision to allow vaccinated people to not wear masks as an incentive. In the UK there is much less need to encourage people to vaccinate, I suspect we'll end up with a higher vaccinated percent of the population than the US eventually.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 12/06/2021 21:28

@JaninaDuszejko

It's interesting how quite a few countries, the US being the main one are allowing masks to be ditched once fully vaccinated. I'm sure that advice here would go a long way in boosting vaccination numbers amongst people who think they are being controlled by the government

Because of the NHS we are the most trusting of vaccines in the world (and we did invent them after all!). There is a much bigger anti-vax contingent in the US than the UK. The wearing of masks in the US has been very political as well. So the politics around masks and vaccines has been much more divided in the US than the UK which explains the decision to allow vaccinated people to not wear masks as an incentive. In the UK there is much less need to encourage people to vaccinate, I suspect we'll end up with a higher vaccinated percent of the population than the US eventually.

While I agree with this, I suspect the US will end up with more children and college students vaccinated than the UK, because it will be required to attend many schools/colleges, whereas in the UK it cannot be mandated.

Other than that, in the US it'll really come down to people's political views - both masks and vaccines have been such a political topic. In my town 95% of people are vaccinated, but we're full of doctors and Democrats.

Meanwhile I think in the UK a contingent of antivaxxers will refuse to receive the vaccine, but it'll be much smaller.

Figgyboa · 13/06/2021 07:04

CA, USA
Covid restrictions end on Tuesday!! Full capacity at restaurants, gym, etc. No masks, social distancing still to be observed in shops etc
Currently 2 out of 100,000 cases in my city.
Vaccinations available to anybody over 12, 70% of adults have had at least one.

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