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How to avoid another lockdown - video

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SonnetForSpring · 09/06/2021 12:46

Please watch this if you would like to better understand the situation regarding 21st June and the delta variant.

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bollihigh · 10/06/2021 13:25

I suspect Johnson will go for a 2-week stay as we are on the 21st, continuing the vaccine push and an eve of battle "I have to square with the British people schtick" if the Bolton readout that the vaccine wall is holding against hospitalisations continues to hold.

freethekids · 10/06/2021 13:32

More concerning are the government's priorities.

The vaccine has been approved in over 12s by MHRA - independent and expert.

But the government in the UK, unlike US and EU, have not announced by plan to vaccinate this age group, despite MHRA declaring it safe and effective.

So they are delaying vaccinating over-12s but the next batch of restrictions may include more home educating, more cancelled exams etc. because the UK government, especially Johnson, prioritise pubs and travel. Johnson already said the reopening of pubs was 'irreversible', but he never said the reopening of schools was irreversible.

I don't want sensible things like mask wearing and border closures to end, but I want my sixth former to be able to get some damn work experience so they have a shot at getting into university next year against the children of doctors and dentists and vets who will have had back-door access to the type of work experience that is currently not available to normal kids due to the Covid restrictions.

freethekids · 10/06/2021 13:34

If the transmission and cases are disproportionally high in children/young people, why is the government delaying vaccinating this group?

Follow the US and EU, offer the vaccine to those that want it in the age groups for which the vaccine has been approved. It's not mandatory, but currently the government is not given an approved vaccine to this age group. And so case numbers rise....

DumplingsAndStew · 10/06/2021 14:28

The Government is delaying vaccinating school-aged children because - for whatever reason - it appears that UsForThem have some sort of a hold over them.

KOKOagainandagain · 10/06/2021 14:41

Vaccines were given emergency approval because the elderly and vulnerable have lower innate immunity and no approved therapeutics existed.

Because in these circumstances vaccine treatment before becoming infected lessened the chance of severe illness and death. This meant the health service was less likely to be overwhelmed at a time of exponential increase that meant lots of people requiring care at the same time.

Vaccines were developed to maximise efficacy in certain situations against a previous dominant virus. They do not prevent mild or asymptomatic infection or transmission. Theoretically they might but it's still 50/50.

Young people generally have strong innate immunity. They have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic but can transmit. What do vaccines have to offer? Especially vaccines that target previous dominant strains. A vaccinated young person could still be infected, still have mild symptoms or be asymptomatic and will still transit.

But thanks to the political message and change in policy will behave as if they are bullet proof - can't be infected - can't transmit.

Pre-vaccine young people were acknowledged to be vectors. Possibility of transmission rather than severity of disease is the significant factor. Post-vaccine young people will continue to be vectors and impact could be greater because of diminishing restraints on social contact.

bollihigh · 10/06/2021 14:42

I had to look that up.

usforthem.co.uk/notforthem/

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