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Sunak could accept 4 week delay to ending restrictions

79 replies

SonnetForSpring · 08/06/2021 22:45

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/08/sunak-could-accept-four-week-delay-to-ending-covid-restrictions-in-england?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Warming us up to a 4 week delay?

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sandyandkirsten · 08/06/2021 22:45

It was inevitable.

LoveNote · 08/06/2021 22:48

Yep, inevitable

SonnetForSpring · 08/06/2021 22:49

I agree. Glad they are starting to drip feed it now though as I like to have some notice as I'm sure others do.

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RoseMartha · 08/06/2021 22:55

It is not a surprise and anyone who is surprised must have had their heads in the sand last few weeks.

Meaty226 · 08/06/2021 22:55

Sunak and all the Fs he may or may not give about the UK and its long term future........yeah.......I'll assume he cares and has as much vested interest in this land as I do.

In the end, maybe he can tell my kids to turn off the lights as he flies out in his private jet.

IhateAntivaccers · 08/06/2021 22:58

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legotruck · 08/06/2021 23:03

Cases are in the rise again though aren't they? The last time we were seeing daily cases this high we were in lockdown

blameitonthecaffeine · 08/06/2021 23:04

I'd be okay with that as long as we don't go backwards on the roadmap.

SonnetForSpring · 08/06/2021 23:05

Lego, I don't think that is true but can't exactly remember the figures. I'm sure someone will.

I guess delaying by a month is for schools to finish and hopefully slow the spread as schools are apparently a significant driver although I don't think they have released the figures yet.

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RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 08/06/2021 23:54

Swap school mixing for other mixing when holidays start. Makes sense.

Torvean · 09/06/2021 00:11

@legotruck

Cases are in the rise again though aren't they? The last time we were seeing daily cases this high we were in lockdown
If BOJO managed the high area cases imposing local restrictions things would be better. But no he let ppl wander all over the place.

England should have stayed in a tier system
Bojo is just screwing up time and time again.

sleepwouldbenice · 09/06/2021 01:02

Tier system never lasted long. People always do what they like and it spreads
Threads were full of people saying it would do no harm for them to pop between regions for whatever they wanted

NannyAndJohn · 09/06/2021 01:21

Only four?

And what about the reintroduction of low level restrictions when needed (like NOW)?

MercyBooth · 09/06/2021 01:21

@blameitonthecaffeine YY I wouldnt mind either for the same reason but its badly affecting the wedding/music industries.

Quite frankly @sleepwouldbenice what helps to cause non compliance in further lockdowns is comments minimizing the sacrifices we have already made. Why the fuck would/should people comply with yet another one when their efforts and sacrifices are treated like nothing and minimized and history is rewritten and people are gaslighted e,g, the "we are in this mess because no one complied over Christmas" bollocks. Rubbishing and minimizing the sacrifices ppl made in the past is what ensures non compliance in the future.
Look at Hancock and his "dont blow it now" bollocks Boris said the same. News reports saying that the reason so many ppl are in hospital is because they are breaking the rules. Its already been proved that whatever the public do and whatever the public sacrifice it will never be enough. Blame blame and more blame despite the fact you got 95% compliance. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

BarbaraofSeville · 09/06/2021 04:55

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

Swap school mixing for other mixing when holidays start. Makes sense.
Hopefully the difference this time will be that it's summer so hopefully more of mixing will be outside, plus far more people are vaccinated.

So will help reduce transmission and serious illness and death for people who do get COVID.

sleepwouldbenice · 09/06/2021 09:30

[quote MercyBooth]@blameitonthecaffeine YY I wouldnt mind either for the same reason but its badly affecting the wedding/music industries.

Quite frankly @sleepwouldbenice what helps to cause non compliance in further lockdowns is comments minimizing the sacrifices we have already made. Why the fuck would/should people comply with yet another one when their efforts and sacrifices are treated like nothing and minimized and history is rewritten and people are gaslighted e,g, the "we are in this mess because no one complied over Christmas" bollocks. Rubbishing and minimizing the sacrifices ppl made in the past is what ensures non compliance in the future.
Look at Hancock and his "dont blow it now" bollocks Boris said the same. News reports saying that the reason so many ppl are in hospital is because they are breaking the rules. Its already been proved that whatever the public do and whatever the public sacrifice it will never be enough. Blame blame and more blame despite the fact you got 95% compliance. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me![/quote]
You hear what you want to hear as always

As I have said before I am no fan of Boris and co but the main factor after Xmas was a new variant as it is now. And this was said everywhere
The criteria for ending restrictions were also clear and includes watching new variants
Of course the govt are to blame e.g. border with India but so are people (e.g. coming back from India via Turkey and kids going straight into school)
But you carry on with your fixed narrative. It makes you feel better

Brokenrecord3006 · 09/06/2021 09:36

I read this morning that hospitalisations aren't increasing much and those in hospital aren't as ill. So actually rising infections isn't such a concern. It gave me some hope that re-opening might go ahead.

But then isn't it all pretty normal now isn't it? Pubs and restaurants are packed, we can hug, go in people's houses. Surely taking the next step doesn't make much difference. I do live in an area where we've had no cases for a few months though, so I'm happy to be corrected if I'm not realising the extent of it.

ICanSmellSummerComing · 09/06/2021 09:49

Broken I think it is pretty much back to normal, a festival I was going too was moved to Sept anyway, but apart from the that we can almost do what we want I am going to the theatre soon, been to cinema, eaten out (outdoors)

strangeshapedpotato · 09/06/2021 10:12

@Brokenrecord3006

I read this morning that hospitalisations aren't increasing much and those in hospital aren't as ill. So actually rising infections isn't such a concern. It gave me some hope that re-opening might go ahead.

But then isn't it all pretty normal now isn't it? Pubs and restaurants are packed, we can hug, go in people's houses. Surely taking the next step doesn't make much difference. I do live in an area where we've had no cases for a few months though, so I'm happy to be corrected if I'm not realising the extent of it.

Infections were heading towards doubling on a weekly basis as the Indian variant spreads out from a handful of hotspots to become the dominant strain everywhere. If infection rates are doubling now, and all restrictions were dropped, then clearly they'd rocket. I'd expect to see a growth curve faster even than the first wave.

Hospitalisations are ALWAYS behind the increase in infections! We'll start to see the uptick just before Jun 21st.

While we know the protection against symptomatic infection is MUCH lower with the Delta variant, the expectation is that the protection against serious illness is less impacted- but even if that stayed as it was, the NHS would struggle according to models. If the protection is reduced then that just makes everything worse.

Basically when infection numbers are sky high, the small percentages of unvaccinated, vaccine failure and risk to younger people, all start to mount up. It'll take far more infected now to result in the same numbers in hospital, but it'll still happen.

englishmaninnewyork · 09/06/2021 10:29

Pertinent article in Daily Mail today: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9665947/Stasis-despicable-torture.html
"It was the East German secret police's most terrifying weapon - gaslighting mind games that drove its own citizens mad"
We will lockdown
We won't lockdown
We might lockdown
We might not lockdown
You can have holidays
You can't have holidays
We will follow the data
But we will ignore the data if it's good
And only follow it if it's bad
etc etc ad Infinium

Ridingthegravytrain · 09/06/2021 10:30

It amazes me what people are now accepting as normal

englishmaninnewyork · 09/06/2021 10:32

@Ridingthegravytrain

It amazes me what people are now accepting as normal
Plenty of government apologists around still!!
pinkpanther84 · 09/06/2021 10:38

On a selfish note, if the restrictions being lifted on 21 June are put back 4 weeks, that means my wedding of 70ish people can't go ahead. I haven't got it in me to postpone again, this is now my 4th date. I don't want to have to cut to 30 people, considering other large scale events are taking place and all the necessary precautions like lateral flow tests could be taken.

MrsNutNutsmarriedaphilanderer · 09/06/2021 10:41

Make sense - we have to minimise further disruption of education as a priority. My kids school already has cases for first time this year, so brakes need to be applied elsewhere.

Absolutely the Gov's fault for not introducing quarantine on people coming back from India when we could see what was happening there and generally their haphazard approach to border control throughout the pandemic

www.theweek.co.uk/107020/why-did-uk-take-so-long-to-introduce-quarantining-and-does-it-work

MrsNutNutsmarriedaphilanderer · 09/06/2021 10:45

When is the next podium show on? We need to hear directly from Whitty and Vallance - as that really shows the direction the wind is blowing (even if Johnson doesn't want to listen yet again )?

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