When did the narrative change?

Namechangednotatroll · 2021-06-07T21:33:36+00:00

Last year it was Covid affects mainly the elderly and people with underlying conditions Now it seems to be get the vaccine or end up dead - age not a factor. But then there are news stories about how there is no evidence that the delta variant is more deadly- why has the narrative changed? I’m struggling a lot mentally but was doing ok a few months a k but the lat few weeks have been really difficult- feel I’m back to square one

Ostara212 · 08/06/2021 01:04

I'm in the cohort announced today

I didn't think I'd ever be pressured to get the vaccine, but with all the talk of vaccine ID, .i think it changed in March? Can't recall exactly.

Ostara212 · 08/06/2021 01:05

This book is a good timeline for the changes

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4264921-had-anyone-read-a-state-of-fear-by-laura-dodsworth

borntobequiet · 08/06/2021 06:27

Now it seems to be get the vaccine or end up dead - age not a factor.

Not part of any narrative I’ve seen or heard. Maybe just yours?

BonnieDundee · 08/06/2021 06:34

It's certainly get the vaccine or you're irresponsible, selfish and threatening freedom

JaquelineSequinWindmachine · 08/06/2021 06:41

The narrative has always been "vaccines are our main path out of this". I remember noting that in my diary way back last September. So that hasn't changed. We've now got successful vaccines, plural, earlier than had been first thought, and now they are being rolled out to the adult population. Lifting of restrictions has always been a parallel path to that.

Sorry that you are struggling OP, is there something you are really waiting to do and can't as yet?

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 08/06/2021 06:42

You need to accept that the nature of a virus means our response needs to change.

We have vaccinated top of age group down, it forces the virus down the age groups to find hosts.

We did the right thing to save maximum lives, but we need to keep vaccinating down the age groups to take away hosts.

We are NOT at square one, but we aren't at square 100 yet either. Still a few ladders and a few snakes to get around.

Get vaccinated when you can and take other measures to avoid hosting CV. We WILL get there! 💐

topcat2014 · 08/06/2021 06:44

I agree, roughly, as it seems to have gone from protect the vulnerable to eradicate the disease

LubaLuca · 08/06/2021 06:51

@topcat2014

I agree, roughly, as it seems to have gone from protect the vulnerable to eradicate the disease

Pre- and post-vaccine availability priorities, understandably.

MRex · 08/06/2021 06:57

Stop believing you live in a story @Namechangednotatroll. This is real life, connect with the people around you and engage with it. If you don't want a vaccine then don't have one; no rules have changed that would affect your life though it's likely you might have to take extra tests to keep everyone safe if you choose not to vaccinate. The reason large gatherings aren't possible right now is because cases are rising again, it isn't a big restriction unless you make it like that in your own mind. Just get on with living your life, you'll find out much easier than stressing about fantasy.

motherrunner · 08/06/2021 06:59

@LatteLoverLovesLattes and @MRex

I really appreciate these measures posts. Thank you!

frumpety · 08/06/2021 07:00

Now it seems to be get the vaccine or end up dead - age not a factor.

Where have you seen this ?

Remmy123 · 08/06/2021 07:02

Yep protect the vulnerable and now get young kids vaccinated .. even though they still arnt sure the vaccine reduces transmission!

RoseWineTime · 08/06/2021 07:04

Both the Alpha (Kent) and Delta (Indian) variants are much more transmissible than the original strain. This means that the herd immunity threshold is higher - meaning that a greater proportion of the population needs to be vaccinated to achieve it.

Suzi888 · 08/06/2021 07:08

@topcat2014

I agree, roughly, as it seems to have gone from protect the vulnerable to eradicate the disease

Agree with this. It’s a merry go round of vaccines, but yet we get them and now have variants, not knowing how long immunity lasts for, possibly still being able to spread it around.

MRex · 08/06/2021 07:09

@Remmy123

Yep protect the vulnerable and now get young kids vaccinated .. even though they still arnt sure the vaccine reduces transmission!

Vaccines reduce the chance of catching covid AND reduces the chance of transmitting it. I don't know why you aren't sure but the studies are clear. The higher chance of catching the new variant even with a single dose is because it's more infectious.

borntobequiet · 08/06/2021 07:11

@topcat2014

I agree, roughly, as it seems to have gone from protect the vulnerable to eradicate the disease

Who is saying this? It seems spectacularly unrealistic if they are.

Honey12346 · 08/06/2021 07:13

Narrative has been changing day to day depends on what the govt wants you to believe that day... First it was the vaccine doesn't stop you from transmitting it, now it does... Masks don't work, now they do... Cloth masks are useless, oops they're not. Locking up just to stop hospitals from overwhelming, wait now we're locking up to save every life. If you don't wear a mask in public you're a murderer, but if you don't wear it in public while you're eating it's perfectly fine, food prevents you from being a murderer. Opening up non essential industries is too dangerous, but not for movie and TV crews who are allowed to film...

I'm amazed at how the people who believe everything the govt say can function with that amount of double think in their brain.

frumpety · 08/06/2021 07:13

We had three options

Achieve Herd immunity by letting the virus which no-one had any immunity to run rampant through the population.

Lockdown to prevent the spread of the virus

Achieve herd immunity by vaccinating as much of the population as possible.

We have done a bit of option 1 and 2, we are six months into option 3 and it seems to be going ok so far.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/06/2021 07:14

If it was still about protecting the vulnerable there wouldn’t be any debate about scrapping restrictions on the 21st

borntobequiet · 08/06/2021 07:14

@Remmy123

Yep protect the vulnerable and now get young kids vaccinated .. even though they still arnt sure the vaccine reduces transmission!

“They” absolutely are sure that the vaccine reduces transmission.

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112

Also see numerous other reliable sources.

roguetomato · 08/06/2021 07:15

This video for kids explain why the threshhold need to be moved for herd immunity if the virus mutates. Simple enough for kids to understand, must be easy for adults to see.

4PawsGood · 08/06/2021 07:15

I think it’s more that loads of cases=more likelihood of mutations, so while the most vulnerable are protected (to a point, the vaccines aren’t 100%), we still need to keep cases down.

Also, with younger and healthy people the proportion of ending up seriously ill is small, but if we had very many cases then a small proportion of that is still a reasonable amount of people.

Plus the Indian/Delta variant may be affecting younger people more, they are still looking at that.

mrsrobin · 08/06/2021 07:18

@Honey12346

Narrative has been changing day to day depends on what the govt wants you to believe that day... First it was the vaccine doesn't stop you from transmitting it, now it does... Masks don't work, now they do... Cloth masks are useless, oops they're not. Locking up just to stop hospitals from overwhelming, wait now we're locking up to save every life. If you don't wear a mask in public you're a murderer, but if you don't wear it in public while you're eating it's perfectly fine, food prevents you from being a murderer. Opening up non essential industries is too dangerous, but not for movie and TV crews who are allowed to film...

I'm amazed at how the people who believe everything the govt say can function with that amount of double think in their brain.

Honey, I agree. With everything you say. I feel relieved I am not the lone person thinking this! What concerns me is if we can't scrap the restrictions now we never will, surely variants will be around for years and years. I also find it utterly depressing social bl**dy distancing and not seeing people's faces. Inhuman. I could understand it before, but now...... How come the USA have said if you are double vaccinated you don't have to wear a mask anymore (except on transport)?

Aspiringmatriarch · 08/06/2021 07:19

I don't get this attitude really. Yes, the messages have been confusing at times, but surely we're at the stage where we're vaccinating as many people as possible to try and achieve herd immunity. It's not so much a change as a progression. We've never lived through a pandemic before, but this seems to be the way it was always going to play out. It's not 'get the vaccine or end up dead', but surely you'd rather be vaccinated than get covid? Or spread it around?

confuseddotcom090 · 08/06/2021 07:21

@BonnieDundee

It's certainly get the vaccine or you're irresponsible, selfish and threatening freedom

When it is only the government that is curtailing freedom

They've generated a massive level of fear and used it to exert control. And cleverly scapegoated the healthy for trying to live their lives ooops I mean selfishly spreading a virus