When did the narrative change?

[Namechangednotatroll]

Last year it was Covid affects mainly the elderly and people with underlying conditions
Now it seems to be get the vaccine or end up dead - age not a factor.
But then there are news stories about how there is no evidence that the delta variant is more deadly- why has the narrative changed?
I’m struggling a lot mentally but was doing ok a few months a k but the lat few weeks have been really difficult- feel I’m back to square one

@Honey12346

Narrative has been changing day to day depends on what the govt wants you to believe that day... First it was the vaccine doesn't stop you from transmitting it, now it does... Masks don't work, now they do... Cloth masks are useless, oops they're not. Locking up just to stop hospitals from overwhelming, wait now we're locking up to save every life. If you don't wear a mask in public you're a murderer, but if you don't wear it in public while you're eating it's perfectly fine, food prevents you from being a murderer. Opening up non essential industries is too dangerous, but not for movie and TV crews who are allowed to film...

I'm amazed at how the people who believe everything the govt say can function with that amount of double think in their brain.

Yep and it’s not ok for you to leave your council area, or have a coffee on a walk with a friend but it’s OK for people to fly in here from all round the world spreading new variants all over the place

Why any people are taking in any of this bullshit any more is beyond me

@Remmy123

Yep protect the vulnerable and now get young kids vaccinated .. even though they still arnt sure the vaccine reduces transmission!

Get the vaccine, don’t get the vaccine, your body, your choice. However, I object to false statements like this one, presented as fact. “They” do indeed know about the impact on transmission, a kind poster shared a link.

It doesn't say much for your 'truth teller' thing if you're deliberately misunderstanding my post. Or do you think the viruses mentioned were endemic worldwide in the same way as covid and we just didn't notice?

I said they were pandemics. Didn't claim they were as bad as covid but they are/ were pandemics.

MERs IS listed as a pandemic.

I've definitely lived through swine flu, HIV, MERs and SARs. They weren't like this but they were still pandemics

As for the government lying, 4K deaths a day by Christmas, Dominic Cummings was doing the right thing, masks don't work/yes they do, turn the tide in this viruses in 12 weeks, all over by christmas, once elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we can get our freedom back/we need everybody vaccinated including children. Need I go on. And that's just off the top of my head

Government figures show there were fewer than 1,000 Covid patients in hospital across the country at the end of May.
That is 2.5 per cent of the peak in early January. 2.5!
Plus now we have huge vaccine uptake.
Plus warmer weather (with a virus which last year followed seasonal flu pattern).
And yet the fear tactics continue.
Of course the narrative has changed, they just haven't got the bottle to tell us.
They are going for zero Covid.

I think the narrative has had to change as we have learnt more about the virus. Also turns out to be quicker at mutating than originally expected.

There is something else going on that I am increasingly getting the hump about. Which is a sly deliberate lack of vaccine facts presented to the general public. The government have been deliberately making some facts public. Whilst deliberately not bothering to make other things public knowledge.

The result is more people that would be hesitant taking up the jab. After being scared into it. I like the result. I just don't agree with the method.

@BonnieDundee

It doesn't say much for your 'truth teller' thing if you're deliberately misunderstanding my post. Or do you think the viruses mentioned were endemic worldwide in the same way as covid and we just didn't notice?

I said they were pandemics. Didn't claim they were as bad as covid but they are/ were pandemics.

MERs IS listed as a pandemic.

I've definitely lived through swine flu, HIV, MERs and SARs. They weren't like this but they were still pandemics

As for the government lying, 4K deaths a day by Christmas, Dominic Cummings was doing the right thing, masks don't work/yes they do, turn the tide in this viruses in 12 weeks, all over by christmas, once elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we can get our freedom back/we need everybody vaccinated including children. Need I go on. And that's just off the top of my head

I said we haven't lived through a pandemic - very clearly, I meant a worldwide pandemic of this nature. You're being disingenuous, and you know it. As for the government lies... 4k deaths a day - not unfeasible if we didn't take measures to stop that happening Dominic Cummings - a ridiculous situation which obviously undermined public confidence but not a lie about covid. 12 weeks/ over by Christmas - fair enough, these were over optimistic predictions. However there have been new variants which we've had to adapt to. Masks - what lies? Do you mean a change in the advice? Elderly and vulnerable vaccinated - yes, this has been a hugely important step and we are opening things up. Children being vaccinated - I don't think we were ever told they wouldn't be, eventually?

Children being vaccinated - I don't think we were ever told they wouldn't be, eventually?
@Aspiringmatriarch
Matt Hancock: "This vaccine will not be used for children. It hasn't been tested on children. And the reason is that the likelihood of children having significant detriment if they catch Covid-19 is very, very low.
"So, this is an adult vaccine, for the adult population."
www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/55192468

Fair enough. It has now been tested though?

If you read the article though, it says "children currently will not be vaccinated because they are low risk".
Oxford vaccine researchers "said phase two of their plan involved assessing the use of the vaccine in children aged 5 - 12 years".
I think there is an issue with the government trying to put out a simple message so everyone gets on board, when in fact the reality is very complex.

I'm amazed at how the people who believe everything the govt say can function with that amount of double think in their brain.

And despite having no wish to defend the government who have made some very poor decisions, what I am amazed at are the people who think every single fact about a new and evolving situation should have been known the day after the virus hit our shores. They must lead very uncomplicated lives completely cut off from real life where, surprise surprise, THINGS CHANGE.

They want normality ASAP and if that means vaccinating everyone then so be it. Fingers crossed the collateral damage along the way isn’t high as that’s exactly what it is.

You are naive if you think the true facts of the vaccine effects aren’t being hidden

I said we haven't lived through a pandemic - very clearly, I meant a worldwide pandemic of this nature. You're being disingenuous, and you know it.&

How so? They were pandemics that I lived through. They weren't as bad as this but they are still pandemics. I remember the fear around HIV, swine flu and SARs.

As for the government lies...
4k deaths a day - not unfeasible if we didn't take measures to stop that happening

No it wasn't feasible. It was outdated overinflated figures they used to scare the public

www.newsbreak.com/news/2097222320384/sir-patrick-vallance-regrets-terrifying-brits-with-doomsday-4-000-daily-coronavirus-deaths-prediction

Dominic Cummings - a ridiculous situation which obviously undermined public confidence but not a lie about covid

it was a lie that he was doing the right thing by travelling when the rest of us weren't allowed to.

12 weeks/ over by Christmas - fair enough, these were over optimistic predictions.

Considering the people they were being advised by, they well knew it wouldnt be over in 12 weeks/by Christmas

However there have been new variants which we've had to adapt to.

Masks - what lies? Do you mean a change in the advice?

I mean when it's convenient they don't work, then magically they do. I dont mind that one so much though assuming they were trying to preserve supplies for NHS etc.

Elderly and vulnerable vaccinated - yes, this has been a hugely important step and we are opening things up.

But we were told we would have our freedom back when the Elderly and vulnerable were vaccinated. Sitting in a baking hot office.for 8 hours a day wearing a mask is not what I call freedom.

Children being vaccinated - I don't think we were ever told they wouldn't be, eventually?

Someone else has answered that

Back in March 2020 we didn't anticipate Variants and Long Covid being things we'd have to worry about.

@NannyAndJohn

Back in March 2020 we didn't anticipate Variants and Long Covid being things we'd have to worry about.

Maybe not long Covid but they knew mutations and variants could occur

Id say, as more research is carried out on the virus, and as the understanding of it gains more information and knowledge, then the advice alters to fit with the new information

@BonnieDundee

It doesn't say much for your 'truth teller' thing if you're deliberately misunderstanding my post. Or do you think the viruses mentioned were endemic worldwide in the same way as covid and we just didn't notice?

I said they were pandemics. Didn't claim they were as bad as covid but they are/ were pandemics.

MERs IS listed as a pandemic.

I've definitely lived through swine flu, HIV, MERs and SARs. They weren't like this but they were still pandemics

As for the government lying, 4K deaths a day by Christmas, Dominic Cummings was doing the right thing, masks don't work/yes they do, turn the tide in this viruses in 12 weeks, all over by christmas, once elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we can get our freedom back/we need everybody vaccinated including children. Need I go on. And that's just off the top of my head

I just don’t see the relevance in comparing pandemics that were so different. 214 deaths from swine flu in the U.K. for example. Zero from SARS, Ebola, 1800 from AIDS at the peak. Russian flu in 1977 was no worse than normal flu. So we haven’t lived through anything like this.

I just don’t see the relevance in comparing pandemics that were so different. 214 deaths from swine flu in the U.K. for example. Zero from SARS, Ebola, 1800 from AIDS at the peak. Russian flu in 1977 was no worse than normal flu.
So we haven’t lived through anything like this.

I'm not comparing pandemics. I simply commented that we had lived through pandemics before. I never claimed they were as bad as this. But they WERE pandemics

@MonopolyBoot Of course. But not even the scientists thought that the Variants would be able to unleash so much damage.

I've been law abiding and fairly unquestioning for a long time but I am increasingly sceptical now of the timing of news and the agenda of individual blame. And the book being discussed on another thread is sold out on amazon, so I do think the tide is turning.

@MrsFezziwig

I'm amazed at how the people who believe everything the govt say can function with that amount of double think in their brain.

And despite having no wish to defend the government who have made some very poor decisions, what I am amazed at are the people who think every single fact about a new and evolving situation should have been known the day after the virus hit our shores. They must lead very uncomplicated lives completely cut off from real life where, surprise surprise, THINGS CHANGE.

Yes they do and atm vaccines work, CV is now a controllable disease.

Now we can all say "ah but what if a new vaccine resistant variant arrives?"
Thats true but in that case, we will never go back to our previous lives, we will just live in fear of a new strain because CV isn't going away and the vaccines will need to be re administered (we don't know how long they work for) and what no one seems to be grasping is that it is taking around 8 months to do everyone and thats with a huge unsustainable effort.

We seem to have got into a mindset where only CV deaths matter and all the others things that can kill us but treatable, are just left to do their worst.