Vaccine expiring soon

[Egghead68]

According to the NHS app my vaccine (barcode) expires on 20 June, I.e. officially it will be as though I am unvaccinated again, presumably as the vaccine can’t be guaranteed to work after that date.

Is anyone else in this position? If so, are you doing anything about it?

That's not how it works. It isn't that the liquid stays in your body as an active repellant. The expiry date is the date after which they shouldn't inject you. Not the date after which the vaccine doesn't work once it is inside you.

You are injected and it triggers an immune response/antibodies. This starts soon after you are injected and develops to its full potential after about 3 weeks. By this time the actual vaccine liquid has dissipated from your body. Then if covid enters you, your body/immune system 'remembers' how to fight it, from when it reacted to the vaccine. Obviously that is not a fully technical explanation but it will explain why it doesnt matter if your vaccine expires after it is injected-- by that time it would be gone from your system anyway.

I am a vaccinator which is where I got my info.

@MRex

There is also an issue that people who had their vaccines early may well be running out of vaccine coverage soon and will be not very protected until the booster shots in the autumn. What are you basing this information on? The ONS seroprevalence study suggests the opposite and I've seen no published information from any of the vaccine providers debated to their ongoing seropositivity checks highlighting that immunity has degraded. The discussion about boosters is in case required for waning immunity, in case required for specific variants (SA in particular) and in case required to increase the number of antibodies; it is not yet confirmed that they will definitely be required nor which groups will require them. That's because current vaccines are working fine so nobody knows yet if boosters will be needed. It sounds like you've just made the up as a problem in your own head to be honest.

MRex would you like me to link/PM you some studies?

Why can people not get their heads around a use by date. Jeezo.

And yes, the op has a clear "vaccines don't work" agenda

@vaccinefreedom

I am not sure what this date means? On a potentially related issue (or maybe not) some NHS staff received their second doses in January before the 3-week gap was officially changed to 12 weeks. So for them it has now been 6 months since their second dose - what plans does the NHS have to ensure that their immunity is boosted?

Caveat: I have no inside information on this.

What I think will be happening is that some of the original trial participants are still being monitored for signs of waning immunity. If and when that appears, it will be the signal that a general revaccination campaign is required. Or it may be only needed for people over a certain age - as has been suggested for the Autumn booster campaign.

However if it turns out that immunity from vaccination is long-lasting, a different strategy will be employed.

@RaspberryCoulis

And yes, the op has a clear "vaccines don't work" agenda

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Of course they work. But not forever - boosters are almost certainly going to be needed.

Which app is this?

If you have data that you want to share, then share it with the whole thread @Egghead68. I don't have an interest in getting PMs and it's better to correct your misconceptions where everyone else can see it.

I just looked at mine and it's in the "share your Covid status" bit for travelling. It's quite obvious that the barcode runs out on 20th June and you'll get a new one. I guess this is linked to the rules changing/not changing on 21st. You're just scaremongering but it's not working so fail for you👍

How can we know how long immunity is going to last at this stage though? By which I mean, if for example the first person ever to have been vaccinated was jabbed 9 months ago and is still showing immunity, then great, but we don't know if they'll still be immune in 12 months or 12 years or whatever, do we? Because they only had the jab 9 months ago. Or do we?! Entirely possible I've missed some research

@SausagePourHomme

It literally says barcode expiration date

Came here to say this, but I can see that it has already been said

Is this somewhere in the NHS track and trace app or a different app?

@Dogdramas

Is this somewhere in the NHS track and trace app or a different app?

@Dogdramas it's a separate NHS app

It's not Vaccine expiring soon... it's just the barcode for vaccine travel proof that will expire...the message clearly says that! "2D barcode expiration date- 20 June 2021". I am thinking it's either a) the barcode has a validity of 2 weeks from the date you download, so it changes based on when you download. If so, then you just download close to the date of travel and download a new one again after it expires. Or b) all barcodes currently have validity until 20th June and after that you just download a new barcode.
Either ways it doesn't mean the vaccine is expiring. This could potentially be scaremongering. Please change the title of your thread

I've also now noticed AZ has a fancy name

You won't need a booster yet. You have been told repeatedly that it's the barcode expiring, not your vaccine coverage yet you're not listening. You are annoying and should go away now.

OP you say

There is also an issue that people who had their vaccines early may well be running out of vaccine coverage soon and will be not very protected until the booster shots in the Autumn

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This is scaremongering and out of order!!!!

You have no evidence of this and you comment should be deleted !!!!!!!

Are you short on things to worry about?

Honestly, as soon as we make any kind of move forward people find something to whinge about. You don't really think the vaccine is like food with a best before date do you?

What do you even need a bar code for? I only know this even exists because I've seen this thread before, I don't have any NHS apps and I'm sure millions of other people don't either because no one needs a bar code.

😂😂😂😂

This question is on a par with the time I worked for a wine company and got a customer complaint that the wine was 'out of date' (ie the vintage was the previous year) 😂

This is like the thread from the other day where the OP was convinced that 12 weeks after your first jab, you are considered "unvaccinated".

@TheReturnoftheSmartArse

How can we know how long immunity is going to last at this stage though? By which I mean, if for example the first person ever to have been vaccinated was jabbed 9 months ago and is still showing immunity, then great, but we don't know if they'll still be immune in 12 months or 12 years or whatever, do we? Because they only had the jab 9 months ago. Or do we?! Entirely possible I've missed some research

This.

The bar code doesn't appear to be relevant - but that doesn't take away from the fact that OP is asking a very relevant question.

We've been told many times (obviously as it's a new disease) we don't know how long protection from vaccines will last.

Hence the talk of boosters.

It's not just health and social care staff who started getting jabbed in December. It was also vulnerable over 80s.

If OP had her second vaccine in January, she clearly works in a high risk environment. It's perfectly reasonable to ask questions about how long immunuty will last.

Nobody can tell you a definite answer how long the vaccine works once you have had both jabs.

The research is on going. So at 6 months they said six months. At 11 months they say 11 months etc.

The general thought now is that for healthy young ish people the vaccine will probably last at least 2 or 3 years if not longer. They can't officially tell you this though. The data isn't there to back this prediction yet.

What they are saying is the elderly and vulnerable will have boosters. They loose antibodies quicker and potentially have weaker immune systems. It you are in a job with more risks potentially they will give you a booster too. That is not decided yet.

Everyone else is very unlikely to need a booster despite what pharmaceutical companies may suggest. It is a decision for the regulators and they shouldn't suggest it unless we have a variant that evades the current vaccines. Which also is unlikely to happen going on current patterns of mutation

I am no expert 😜😂 So feel free to ignore me. My kids do🤷‍♀️

Thanks. Better download it as I am having my second jab this weekend.

The NHS App, where this barcode/QR code can be found, was already in existence. I use it to order repeat prescriptions and make appointments with my GP. It also allows you to view all your medications. Its functionality has been extended to highlight your Covid vaccinations. So if you’re every able to travel to another country again and that country requires proof of Covid vaccination, you can provide it.

If you’re the kind of healthy young person who doesn’t take any medication and never sees the doctor, you may well not have known about this app. But it’s been in existence a long time before Covid, and old codgers like me who have a lot to do with their GP’s find it very useful.

Anecdotal I know, but my friend (mid 40's) was part of the AZ trial last Spring, and had her vaccines over a year ago. She is regularly tested, and still showing a good immune response.
I had blood tests done recently to check my Hep B antibody levels, and it was shown that I still had a good immunity to Hep B. I got my last booster 20 years ago!!

Vaccines are very clever and most importantly THEY WORK!

The Covid ones haven't been around very long yet, but I've not read anything to suggest that our immune response has wained as yet.

Would love to see some definitive studies on this though.

And I would be totally happy to be offered a booster if required later.