If I get my dc vaccinated will anything change?

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It seems like nothing is going to change for double vaccinated adults - still need to self isolate, wear masks, can’t travel etc. So is there going to be any advantage to dc being vaccinated? Mine didn’t receive the flu jab and the only reason I would consider them getting the COVID vaccination would be if it would stop them having their education disrupted. Unfortunately I have a feeling it would make no difference and they would still be sent home if there was a case in their class just in case. What do you think? Would it stop the need for this or not?

If enough teens get vaccinated it should minimise the spread and lead to fewer being sent home to isolate because there will be less chance anyone will catch covid/become symptomatic. I dont rjink it will be a case of "only unvaccibated havw to isolate" rhough, if that's what you're aaking, as vaccinates people can srill catxh, become aeriously ill from, and spread covid - just not as easily or as regularly as vaccinated people.

So yes, indirextly by having the jab the nees to wear masks and isolate will reduce, but it isnt a magic bullet. Its about protecting enough of that population to mean that it doeant spread so much, and rhis wil in turn reduce the measures needed.

They will not treat the vaccinated any differently at the moment as it would be grossly unfair to those still waiting their turn.
I think that once everyone who is eligable has been offered two doses then there may be relaxations on isolation for the vaccinated. It could mean DC who are vaccinated would not be sent home if contacts.

If, collectively, enough of our teens get vaccinated then spread will be restricted and cases reduced. So, whilst they might not be treated any differently from their unvaccinated peers, then they will be sent home less.

They won’t be changing rules until everyone has been offered both doses I would imagine. Otherwise it will be a nightmare checking who is vaccinated, unfairness of those not yet eligible for second dose.

I think you are right to be sceptical becsuae hé goalposts keep changing.
Originally the measures were yo reduce the burden on the health service -now with mission creep loud voices are demanding they stay toll w is ‘safe’ a moving target that remains of reach on the r of pretexts.

@TeddingtonTrashbag

I think you are right to be sceptical becsuae hé goalposts keep changing. Originally the measures were yo reduce the burden on the health service -now with mission creep loud voices are demanding they stay toll w is ‘safe’ a moving target that remains of reach on the r of pretexts.

I’m not entirely sure I’ve understood your post but if the R is trying to refer to the R rate I’m presuming you don’t see how the R rate feeds into the burden on the health system??

Surveillance and strategy is based on a cycle of events and knowing that one thing will lead to another. In real time that means big shifts in variable (like vaccinations) are an unknown factor and can’t be factored into reliable predictions.

Should read ‘on the flimsiest of excuses’

To have herd immunity we need 85% of the population doubly vaccinated - at the moment it’s only about 40% of the population. Things won’t change until we have a much higher level of vaccination.

My biggest worry for my kids is long covid or a nasty bout of covid, so the vaccine would allay that.

Makes me pretty angry that it is urgent we get kids vaccinated but also was fine to get rid of masks

@TeddingtonTrashbag I agree with you. It feels like, at the moment, having the vaccination is not making a jot of difference and everything is so negative.
I distinctly remember them saying that the R rate wouldn’t apply in the same way with vaccinations in the picture @Cornettoninja, but they seem to have back tracked on that. @Hax I hope you’re right about relaxations for doubly vaccinated people once all adults have been offered it.

relaxations for doubly vaccinated people once all adults have been offered it

At that point they'll probably start spouting on about the vulnerable who were vaccinated first, now needing boosters.

I think they'll struggle not to open travel up to double vaccinated people come the summer. If countries like France are doing it, then they'll be under a lot of pressure to do the same. Not giving an opinion about whether this is right or wrong, just that I think it'll happen.

I distinctly remember them saying that the R rate wouldn’t apply in the same way with vaccinations in the picture @Cornettoninja, but they seem to have back tracked on that

I don’t think they’ve backtracked I think they can’t say either way without more evidence which only time will give us.

Either way, specifically with covid strategy, I dislike the implications of the use ‘backtracking’ as a term for discrediting policy. It’s a changing situation with real time data that has to be considered. Back tracking implies that there was some concrete information at the time of the original statement that was ignored.

seems like nothing is going to change for double vaccinated adults - still need to self isolate, wear masks, can’t travel etc. So is there going to be any advantage to dc being vaccinated

Of course things will change. Once the majority of the population is fully vaccinated (and we're getting there). That's that whole point.

Majority vaccinated leaves the virus with very limited opportunity to spread. It will have nowhere to go.

Obviously we'll need some border restrictions including a working test and trace, perhaps international vaccine passports, and proper quarantine where necessary, for a bit longer - until other countries have caught up on vaccines, but we'd have most if not all domestic freedoms.

That aside, whilst a lower risk, children can get ill. The risk of death is low but there's also Long Covid to think about (which has children).

www.businessinsider.com/more-teens-ending-up-hospitalized-covid-19-cdc-director-says-2021-6?r=US&IR=T

More teens are ending up in the hospital with COVID-19, now the CDC is urging parents to get them vaccinated

This is America but presumably the risk is similar for teens here.

Low risk is not the same as no risk.

@loulouljh source please?

I really don't understand the comment that nothing changes with vaccine. Once adults and maybe teenagers and children are vaccinated, it will certainly change something, the transmission will decrease. At least children will have less disrupted education.

It's quite clear that UK is doing way better than some other countries even now. It's quite horrific to hear about my native country is really struggling with daily numbers raising and my elderly parents just got vaccinated with first dose few days ago.

That is serious (and very dangerous) misinformation/outright lies loulouljh

Actually no serious side effects at all were reported from the children in the US trials. There were a few with briefly sore arms but that's pretty much it.

Perhaps you've got confusedly with actual Covid? Covid is low risk of death in children - but some have died from it, including in the United States.

*confused

@Tealightsandd

Perhaps you've got confusedly with actual Covid? Covid is low risk of death in children - but some have died from it, including in the United States.

But obviously Covid is very low risk of death in children.

@roguetomato

I really don't understand the comment that nothing changes with vaccine. Once adults and maybe teenagers and children are vaccinated, it will certainly change something, the transmission will decrease. At least children will have less disrupted education.

It's quite clear that UK is doing way better than some other countries even now. It's quite horrific to hear about my native country is really struggling with daily numbers raising and my elderly parents just got vaccinated with first dose few days ago.

I read some encouraging news yesterday. Biden is apparently making progress in talks with the drugs companies over proposed vaccine patent waiver.

It would be fantastic if he succeeds. Some people are calling on the UK to postpone vaccinating our children and instead send our vaccines abroad (not sure why us, when Italy, France, Germany, Israel, UAE, and the US have already started doing children).

Patent waiver is the better solution. There's a very good saying. You need to put your own oxygen mask on before helping others. With potential risks of Long Covid, we need to protect our children (particularly but not confined to the higher risk deprived areas).

This is a concern of mine also.
In the US, fully vaccinated people can meet inside without masks, social distancing etc.
In the US, students are being vaccinated so they can return to face-to-face learning in September (and cannot do so without vaccination).

The science is the same worldwide. The virus does not behave differently in the US.
For people to vaccinate their children, I think the government need to ensure that the reduction in risk to the children and to society is appropriately recognised. Otherwise many people won't do it.

The UK think they are ahead in vaccinations but actually that situation is old. We have been overtaken by US and the EU is catching up. The US has vaccinated over 18s. They are only leaving a 3 week gap between doses, so people are getting fully vaccinated faster. I have a relative in mid-40s who cannot get fully vaccinated for over a month still. That would not currently be the case in the US.