If I get my dc vaccinated will anything change?

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It seems like nothing is going to change for double vaccinated adults - still need to self isolate, wear masks, can’t travel etc. So is there going to be any advantage to dc being vaccinated? Mine didn’t receive the flu jab and the only reason I would consider them getting the COVID vaccination would be if it would stop them having their education disrupted. Unfortunately I have a feeling it would make no difference and they would still be sent home if there was a case in their class just in case. What do you think? Would it stop the need for this or not?

Children have NOT died from the vaccine loulouljh

The US has 42% of total population fully vaccinated against 41% for the UK. However the UK has a far higher proportion who have had 1st dose and are awaiting 2nd. Also the UK has prioritised towards older and higher risk groups and thus has far higher coverage in these groups.

In the US vaccinating 18 year olds is offsetting unvaccinated 50+.

If vaccination cuts transmission through symptom reduction then most of the "herd" effect will come from vaccinating higher risk groups.

For comparison Israel has 57% population coverage for vaccination.

Italy, Spain, France and Germany are around 20% fully vaccinated so EU has some way to go to "catch up".

@LedByFools

The UK think they are ahead in vaccinations but actually that situation is old. We have been overtaken by US and the EU is catching up. The US has vaccinated over 18s. They are only leaving a 3 week gap between doses, so people are getting fully vaccinated faster.

That's not what the evidence shows, though. As of 4th June, the US had given a full course to 41.1% of the population, and the UK to 40.0%. Effectively level-pegging, but the UK has been gaining ground on the US quickly - a week ago the gap was 3.2% - and will overtake in the next day or two. In contrast, the EU had as of the same date vaccinated 20.3% of the population, and the gap is widening fast.

The UK is also well ahead in percentage who have received at least once dose (UK: 59.11%; USA: 50.75%; EU 33.15%).

There are also early signs that uptake in the US is starting to plateau. Yes, it's correct to say that the US has opened up vaccinations to everyone over 18, whereas the UK has followed a strict age priority order. But that means that, in the US, a larger proportion of the older and thus more vulnerable cohorts are unvaccinated. And the likelyhood is that vaccine acceptance will be significantly lower.

The UK think they are ahead in vaccinations because all the evidence is that they are (EU) or very soon will be (US).

(Source: ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations )

It’s beyond scary that people are talking about a child’s right to a face to face education being based on if they are vaccinated or not. I simply can’t believe that this is a conversation people are having yet alone that people would be comfortable vaccinating their children with limited safety data available and a very minimal risk from covid to stop their education being disrupted. We are being bribed into vaccinating children on the promise of an undisrupted education in the autumn! I feel like I am living in a parallel universe at the moment.

A group have teen boys have even hospitalised due to vaccine in the US though

@Watapalava

A group have teen boys have even hospitalised due to vaccine in the US though

Source please?

@Katie517

It’s beyond scary that people are talking about a child’s right to a face to face education being based on if they are vaccinated or not. I simply can’t believe that this is a conversation people are having yet alone that people would be comfortable vaccinating their children with limited safety data available and a very minimal risk from covid to stop their education being disrupted. We are being bribed into vaccinating children on the promise of an undisrupted education in the autumn! I feel like I am living in a parallel universe at the moment.

Couldn't agree with this post more. Children are at so low risk of covid, the risk of the vaccine is higher than getting covid itself at younger age groups.

I am hoping for a return to normal free life once we are all done! Imagine going to someone's house for tea! Indoors and no mask!
I think restrictions to international travelling will go on for a bit longer, but other restrictions will fade away as we get to the famous 85%+ of vaccinated population.

@MushMonster are you being serious? You can go into someone’s house indoors for tea with no mask now just the same as you can eat in a restaurant with your friends and no mask!

Huge ethical debate over whether to vaccinate children.

I have been double vaccinated since March. The government treats me as though I’m not. I’m cancelling holidays, wearing masks, isolating if I’ve been near anyone with covid.

Feel like I’ve been duped. Will not allow the same for my children.

@Katie517, you can?
We can only have our extended household indoors.
We can meet up with other people outdoors or in a garden.
I am in Wales.

@Malteser71

Huge ethical debate over whether to vaccinate children.

I have been double vaccinated since March. The government treats me as though I’m not. I’m cancelling holidays, wearing masks, isolating if I’ve been near anyone with covid.

Feel like I’ve been duped. Will not allow the same for my children.

The government is treating you as though you haven’t been vaccinated, not because of the science, but to prevent a massive social backlash from younger people who haven’t had the chance to be offered both jabs. We’ve sacrificed so much for older people and the vulnerable, and now they get their lives back first

@Malteser71

Huge ethical debate over whether to vaccinate children.

I have been double vaccinated since March. The government treats me as though I’m not. I’m cancelling holidays, wearing masks, isolating if I’ve been near anyone with covid.

Feel like I’ve been duped. Will not allow the same for my children.

But you haven't been fully vaccinated so early because you've personally done something right compared to those who simple haven't been eligible for the vaccination yet. This is the difference compared to the US where it has been a personal choice as the vaccines have been available for everyone over 18 with a 4 week gap. Can you not see it would create a two-tier system if you hadn't have to follow any rules since March but others had to wait until August or September for the same?

And how would it be enforced? Everyone would just lie like they've lied all along along about being exempt from wearing masks.

@Watapalava

A group have teen boys have even hospitalised due to vaccine in the US though

I looked this up and there is more to that story. Group of 7 boys not critically ill at any point.

The boys' symptoms resolved "rapidly" with medication. Measures of cardiac status had returned to normal at check-ups performed after one-to-three weeks. Myocarditis is a known rare adverse event following other vaccinations, the authors noted. There is no proof, however, that the vaccine caused these cases. "So far, over 2.2 million teenagers (aged) 16-17 have already received 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine, and over 3 million kids 12-15 years old have received dose #1," said coauthor Dr. Judy Guzman-Cottrill of Oregon Health & Science University. "These are huge, very reassuring denominators." COVID-19 itself can cause myocarditis, she noted. "After looking at the risks and benefits, the data support getting kids vaccinated."

N.B the ‘no proof the vaccine caused it’

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There are way more adolescents in the US who have been admitted to hospital critically ill (the important part) with Covid19 than with the vaccine so can we stop with this ‘they don’t catch Covid” nonsense?

COVID-19 hospitalizations rose among U.S. adolescents in March and April, and nearly a third of those hospitalized needed intensive care, according to data from more than 250 hospitals in 14 states released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday. "Rates of COVID-19-associated hospitalization among adolescents also exceeded historical rates of seasonal influenza-associated hospitalization during comparable periods," researchers reported in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. The hospitals reported a total of 204 adolescents hospitalized for COVID-19 in March and April. "Until they are fully vaccinated, adolescents should continue to wear masks and take precautions when around others who are not vaccinated to protect themselves, and their family, friends, and community," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement on Friday. "I ask parents, relatives and close friends to join me and talk with teens about the importance of these prevention strategies and to encourage them to get vaccinated."
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204 critically ill adolescents compared with 7 non critically adolescents and it’s the vaccine getting the main negative focus from some of you?

Israel has followed Denmark in ditching vaccine certification.

Their experience to date is that their current level of vaccine coverage is sufficient. They seem more concerned about importing new strains.
While they have opened the programme to teens they are still debating side effect management.

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-lifts-all-covid-bans-on-unvaccinated-while-teens-vaccine-drive-is-in-question-1.9862175

If there is indeed a significant difference in efficacy between AZ and Pfizer / Moderna as suggested by latest research on Delta variant then it probably makes more sense for the UK to prioritise boosters for AZ recipients over vaccinating teens (obvs would be impossible for politicians to admit this atm).