Other countries suffering

[covidandborisandworld]

Our GOVT have made mistakes undoubtedly. India borders being that latest clanger and sadly we have had many deaths which is awful for those family's let behind.

However It makes me so mad in this country when we see people bleating on about no foreign holidays when in other country's such as Nepal relatives are left at loved ones gates at the cemetery and can't even give them a proper funeral service

In India there is chaos and accessing medical
Care will Bankrupt you

In Thailand there are heavy prison sentences for organising events huge fines for non mask compliance

In UK
We are basically doing what we want No real consequence for non compliance
money to support us and industry- I totally feel for those in hospitality and theatre

Are people in uk really so closed minded they think they have it hardest?

I understand what you are saying

First world problems.

Many Brits are obsessed with jet setting holidays more than anything it seems. To not go abroad for 1-2 summers is not the end of the world. Millions still went away last summer (with consequences with what they brought back) and now still desperate to get away this year, with over a hundred thousand in Portugal right now.

The one thing that's driven me nuts this pandemic (beyond the incompetence) is the Brits idea that they need and are entitled to a foreign holiday.

It's just really not a priority right now and certainly isn't worth the risk of further domestic infections and deaths.

We have done so well with the vaccines I think it's sensible to wait another few months for adults to be fully vaccinated before risking undoing all the good that particular part of this nightmare has done.

I hate this idea that you're not allowed to be upset because someone else has it worse.

I haven't seen anyone suggesting that we have it hardest but you don't get to tell people how they should and shouldn't feel.

Yes I don't get to tell people but I just wish there was a little bit more awareness of what else is happening in the world. Then we as a nation may be a little more humble.

Maybe we should Blame the media then for
Lack of coverage.

Fully agree Op. The people in the UK are so very very selfish and entitled.

The 'I've had my 2 jabs why can't I have my life back shit'. And why can't we go on holiday.

Does sitting on a bloody beach really mean that much to some people.

The problem with this country is that a lot of people have not been really affected at all and have no real understanding of what true suffering is such as those in India.

@covidandborisandworld

Yes I don't get to tell people but I just wish there was a little bit more awareness of what else is happening in the world. Then we as a nation may be a little more humble. Maybe we should Blame the media then for Lack of coverage.

People are aware. It has always been the case that some countries are a lot worse off than us in all sorts of ways. Poverty, corruption, etc.

Doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to be unhappy about the current situation. It's not a race to the bottom.

@covidandborisandworld - does the suffering of people in Syria mean you should never complain about potholes on the local roads? Does people being imprisoned in Thailand for organising events mean that people should not be allowed to organise events here? Should we be imprisoned for not wearing masks? Should we be humble whatever we are told to do, because people in other countries have to be humble or be executed?

Plenty of people in the UK have been unable to say goodbye to their loved ones too, or did that pass you by?

People allover the world were living in terrible circumstances pre covid too. Did you not enjoy your own life then because of the suffering of others before the pandemic? It is awful what is happening in other countries, it really is. But that doesn't mean we can't be upset about our own way of life changing so much.

Not everyone wants to go abroad on a fancy holiday. Some of us have families overseas that we haven't seen for 2-3 years. So get over yourself.

Surely at some point in your life you've complained about something that's relatively trivial in the grand scheme, when there's terrible things going on elsewhere in the world? I don't think anyone's claiming we have it worse here than anywhere else, or going on to international forums where people are discussing tragedies in their own countries to shout over them about not getting a holiday.

I haven't had any travel plans interrupted myself, but I really missed going out to eat over the last year. I'm sure at some point I said something like "God I'm so fed up of this, I wish I could just go and sit in a cafe" out loud. Obviously that doesn't mean I think my situation is worse than what's been going on in India, and luckily the people I talk to IRL understand that! What's so different about a holiday that means anyone who wants one must be self-centred and ignorant?

@Waxonwaxoff0

I hate this idea that you're not allowed to be upset because someone else has it worse.

I haven't seen anyone suggesting that we have it hardest but you don't get to tell people how they should and shouldn't feel.

Upset is fine, but you get so many who have to have their foreign holidays at all costs and damn the consequences.

Our ancestors never went abroad, unless by sea for weeks on end, therefore to emigrate rather than a holiday. Foreign holidays are not essential, they're a luxury. They'll come back eventually - as will standing at a bar - but right now holidays can wait.

Our ancestors never went abroad, unless by sea for weeks on end, therefore to emigrate rather than a holiday. Foreign holidays are not essential, they're a luxury. They'll come back eventually - as will standing at a bar - but right now holidays can wait.

Holidays are not the only thing people have been upset about.

@User135644 our ancestors used to have to wash clothes by hand and got sent to the poor house. Times change and so do our expectations.

The travel industry, while not "essential", does employ millions of people and their jobs are essential to them to pay their bills.

As far as I'm aware the general public don't get to decide whether foreign travel is allowed either, at the moment it's still heavily restricted so most people aren't going anywhere whether they want to or not.

@covidandborisandworld

Yes I don't get to tell people but I just wish there was a little bit more awareness of what else is happening in the world. Then we as a nation may be a little more humble. Maybe we should Blame the media then for Lack of coverage.

Most people haven’t ever given a shit about what’s been happening in the world. Look at the atrocities that have happened where we’ve (collectively) turned a blind eye. If civil wars, use of chemical weapons etc don’t bother us why would Covid? What makes Covid so special

Most people haven’t ever given a shit about what’s been happening in the world. Look at the atrocities that have happened where we’ve (collectively) turned a blind eye. If civil wars, use of chemical weapons etc don’t bother us why would Covid? What makes Covid so special

Whilst I take your point I don’t think it’s correct to say people don’t give a shit. They do but generally events that don’t personally impact them are low down on their list of priorities. I think that’s understandable, we all have our own lives. Given the opportunity most people contribute what they can.

What makes covid ‘special’ is that it has impacted pretty much everyone’s life negatively in one way or another, big or small. Some countries are undoubtedly harder hit in more ways than we are but that doesn’t diminish the impact it has had here.

This is a very dumb post.

I think most people are very well aware that Britain is a very privileged country by global standards. But everything is relative and just because people haven't got it as bad as in India, for example, that doesn't mean they're not allowed to feel sorry about the situation.

And as others have said, bad things didn't start happening in March last year. There have always been wars, famines, natural disasters, etc. Did those criticising others for being 'selfish' for wanting to go on holiday or out for a meal give up all their spare cash to charity? Do they do so now? I doubt it.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I hate this idea that you're not allowed to be upset because someone else has it worse.

I haven't seen anyone suggesting that we have it hardest but you don't get to tell people how they should and shouldn't feel.

It’s not a matter of not being allowed to be upset. But you can’t expect universal sympathy or government action for issues that are totally out of proportion.

And it unhealthy to not accept that the pandemic will have impact on all of our lives and there’s a limit on what we can do about it.

@OliveTree75

Our ancestors never went abroad, unless by sea for weeks on end, therefore to emigrate rather than a holiday. Foreign holidays are not essential, they're a luxury. They'll come back eventually - as will standing at a bar - but right now holidays can wait.

Holidays are not the only thing people have been upset about.

Actually, that’s a load of bollocks about our ancestors. Human beings have always loved to travel. If they can’t come up with a good excuse, they’ll invent a crusade, or the Grand Tour, or just the fact they want to know what is on the other side of the water and if it’s actually nicer than here. Human beings would not have settled practically everywhere on the planet if staying put was the norm.

Oh, and of course, pilgrimages.

@Walkaround that’s absolutely true but it’s a false comparison to how we travel today. Pre-flight travel was a massive commitment and in many cases very dangerous whether it the mode of travel or the destination. Very few people were able to afford to spend weeks/months on a voyage and trips were a much longer commitment making them the privilege of a very select few who either made their living from it and had rich sponsors or a lot of time on their hands. People emigrated but it was with intention of making a one way trip and building a completely new life. The military has always been a way to travel but obviously comes with its own dangers.

Travel for leisure as we recognise it is a very new phenomenon and it’s only the last 50/60 years it’s become an attainable recreational opportunity.

Travel for leisure as we recognise it is a very new phenomenon and it’s only the last 50/60 years it’s become an attainable recreational opportunity.

Yeah, and we're very fortunate for that, but an annual foreign holiday is not essential. Not flying abroad for a year (essential trips aside) is not a huge imposition.

I would agree with that @User135644. Travel abroad is brilliant and a fabulous experience but truthfully anyone would be hard pushed to justify their enjoyment of travel as having any benefits outside of their personal satisfaction that aren’t a happy side effect of coinciding with their individuals wants.

@Cornettoninja - talking of individual wants, that’s all the opinions of people who don’t want others to travel when they are permitted to are, too. They are no more relevant or important than the individual opinions of the travellers.