Other countries suffering

[covidandborisandworld]

Our GOVT have made mistakes undoubtedly. India borders being that latest clanger and sadly we have had many deaths which is awful for those family's let behind.

However It makes me so mad in this country when we see people bleating on about no foreign holidays when in other country's such as Nepal relatives are left at loved ones gates at the cemetery and can't even give them a proper funeral service

In India there is chaos and accessing medical
Care will Bankrupt you

In Thailand there are heavy prison sentences for organising events huge fines for non mask compliance

In UK
We are basically doing what we want No real consequence for non compliance
money to support us and industry- I totally feel for those in hospitality and theatre

Are people in uk really so closed minded they think they have it hardest?

I really need a holiday!
However I just wish the whole world would synchronise one big lockdown and ban all travel or mixing. Everyone stays in their own house for a month and stop the spread once and for all.
When everyone is allowed out there is also world peace and all good things.
Sorted!

As for travel being more dangerous in the past - well, there we go, that’s more similar now to the past than it was a year ago, too. Not sure of the relevance of that in terms of making it any more justifiable in the past compared to now, though - it was and still is something a great many people have a strong desire to be able to do regardless of the pontifications of others. It’s not remotely as if everyone approved of grand tours, emigration, crusades or curiosity, either, and most people accept medieval pilgrimages were quite so popular partly because they were about the only chance ordinary people had to be allowed to escape the tiny plots of land they were tied to and escape for a while, without being arrested by their overlords and dragged back home. And travel has always been linked to the spread of disease, too. We have a long, long history of spreading diseases around the world. So enough of harking back to the past as some weird kind of way to tell people to stop behaving like humans.

@passmethemilk

I really need a holiday! However I just wish the whole world would synchronise one big lockdown and ban all travel or mixing. Everyone stays in their own house for a month and stop the spread once and for all. When everyone is allowed out there is also world peace and all good things. Sorted!

Open everything up domestically this month but keep the borders shut beyond essential travel (or everywhere on the red list with quarantine enforced if you do go away). Travel industry to be fully supported.

That's a fair trade off.

@passmethemilk

I really need a holiday! However I just wish the whole world would synchronise one big lockdown and ban all travel or mixing. Everyone stays in their own house for a month and stop the spread once and for all. When everyone is allowed out there is also world peace and all good things. Sorted!

This is a joke right?

You’re mixing up a lot of factors and coming up with a strange argument @Walkaround. Historical travel and migration isn’t remotely comparable to the travel habits of today, flight was the turning point in allowing huge numbers of people to freely move around the entire globe with little restriction due to time or finances. Of course people have always travelled but the sheer scale of movement isn’t remotely comparable to any other point in history.

On a personal level I don’t think recreational international travel is wise right now because on a larger scale it’s another risk factor that isn’t strictly necessary, but I’m not in charge so my opinion only affects me 🤷‍♀️

@Cornettoninja - it is not remotely a strange argument to point out that travel in the past has sweet fa to do with whether or not you are justified in travelling now, except to prove that people have always wanted to do it. In fact you clearly agree with me wholeheartedly - so why anyone is inanely harking back to the past as a way of arguing people shouldn’t be travelling now is anyone’s guess!

I’m only commenting because you’re implying that historically people have travelled in a similar fashion to how we do now. It’s just not true and ignores the massive impact of flight and a much larger global population.

You’re right though, it doesn’t make any difference to the current situation and the consequences of international movement,

I agree there is immense suffering in other countries, and their covid situation looks terrifying. However our UK situation was also appalling - we start from an advantageous position but our government managed to let an awfully large number of people die.

You mean not only am I meant to protect my own community I've got to protect everyone else as well

@Cornettoninja - point out where I am implying any such thing. You are the one tying yourself in knots trying to argue that travel was different in the past and that this is in any way relevant to anything. My argument on the other hand is perfectly simple - I have made it clear that people have always wanted to travel, regardless of the fact they spread far worse diseases than covid in the past and regardless of whether or not they needed to. Travel being easier now is meaningless in this argument - making travel easier doesn’t make it less desirable, after all, does it?!

I’m not tying myself in knots, I’m getting distracted by the digression.

Travel being easier now is meaningless in this argument - making travel easier doesn’t make it less desirable, after all, does it

No, it makes it more desirable because its attainable.

In other words, travel was more far more difficult and dangerous in the past and you would think that would have put people off, but actually, lots of people still travelled unnecessarily, even when it put themselves and others in danger. It’s therefore hardly surprising, now it’s easier and safer, that even more people want to do that now than ever, and that telling them it used to be more dangerous and difficult in the past is not going to put them off! Still, it was an interesting digression.

@passmethemilk

I really need a holiday! However I just wish the whole world would synchronise one big lockdown and ban all travel or mixing. Everyone stays in their own house for a month and stop the spread once and for all. When everyone is allowed out there is also world peace and all good things. Sorted!

I am hoping that you are not serious, but just as an off chance that you are.....

Imo this is such first world thinking. Where you are able to live after being shut down for yet another month.

In some countries (mine included) one month of not earning a living again is going to cause more suffering that I think you can imagine.

We are in winter now and our cases are rising daily. But we have not gone into full lockdown.... not because we don't want to, because we are not able to. There is no furlough, working from home is not even an option for most....in a nutshell, no work, no money.

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