What do you think will change for the fully vaccinated

[patsyA]

My sister and her husband are living in the US (have done for many years)

They are both fully vaccinated and things there are different for them now, the rule there is, once you are fully vaccinated you can live a “pre pandemic” life.

For instance, they are no longer required to socially distance.
They don’t have to wear masks (unless required by federal, state or local laws)
If they have been in contact with a positive Covid case, they do not have to test or self isolate, unless they develop symptoms.

What changes do you think we will see here in the UK for the fully vaccinated?

A fair point, Cornettoninja; I wouldn't say it's always different people, but yes it does tend to go that way

@Puzzledandpissedoff

A fair point, Cornettoninja; I wouldn't say it's always different people, but yes it does tend to go that way

Politicians and journalists are the worst offenders!

@everythingthelighttouches absolutely! Hence the constantly changing goalposts -from 3 weeks to flatten the curve etc and all the gaslighting/ trying to force us to blame each other.

Once everyone’s been given the chance to be double vaccinated then sure but until then no. It’s not a 24 years old fault they haven’t been it’s because others have been prioritised.

Slap on conditions when some haven’t even been offered and they just won’t stick to the rules anyway.

@Horst

Once everyone’s been given the chance to be double vaccinated then sure but until then no. It’s not a 24 years old fault they haven’t been it’s because others have been prioritised.

Slap on conditions when some haven’t even been offered and they just won’t stick to the rules anyway.

The thing is no one will ever know who's been vaccinated or not and I can't imagine those who decline the vaccine opting to wear a mask instead. Probably the only time any distinction between the 2 could ever be made is if they decide those who are double vaccinated no longer need to isolate of which test and trace would be able to see who this applies too

@Malteser71

Fair or not.

I’ve been fully vaccinated since March. Can anyone explain why I have to wear a mask?

Well exactly. The only explanation appears to be to be “fair” to people who haven’t had the vaccine yet. Even though it’s pointless.

@TheBitchOfTheVicar

But what is “fair” about locking up healthy vaccinated people? Do you think that just because some people are still waiting for vaccines that makes that fair? I don’t.

As a teacher who hasn't yet been doubly vaccinated, I am simultaneously 'safe enough' to be in a room with 30 young people who are all touching each other, sharing food at lunchtime etc, but not 'safe enough' to have the privileges many on this thread are whining about?

I don’t think you’re not safe enough. Do what you like, I don’t care.

@Malteser71

Thing is, I don’t mind following logical rules.

Doubly vaccinated people made to wear masks? Illogical, and the only reason for it is so it ‘looks fair.’

Yes this is it exactly.

Ultimately, if we want double vaccinated to have more freedoms then vaccine passports are needed.

Well exactly. The only explanation appears to be to be “fair” to people who haven’t had the vaccine yet. Even though it’s pointless.

No, it's because Boris and the government don't want to rile their back benches/libertarian/anti-vax brigade by bringing in vaccine passports. It's nothing to do with fairness.

It's all about masks now is it?

FFS is it that difficult to wear one when you pop into a shop or whatever? I'm doubly vaccinated and couldn't give a shit about still wearing a mask. For anyone who can't wear one for whatever reason, it's totally different- I've thought that all along. But then those people have never had to wear masks.

Do you only ‘pop into a shop?’

I’ve just been on a five hour train journey. No air conditioning.

Well one things for sure. Regardless of all the arguments for and against whatever the issue, generally if Tony Blair recommends a course of action, it's best to do the opposite. Whether in this case it's a very rare exception, I don't know, but certainly Tony needs to get off the telly, stay away from the papers, and stfu. He's done more than enough long lasting damage to this country (and beyond). Just enjoy your retirement in leafy Bucks, Tony, and stop trying to involve yourself in important decisions.

Nothing. Rightly so too - the vaccine doesn’t guarantee you can’t contract covid or pass it on to others. The people who have had the vaccine/recovered from covid will hopefully feel more reassured and we can all just get on with our lives.

Who is getting on with their lives? And when?

June 21st?

July 5th?

Delay, delay. Maybe soon. Another three weeks. When they say so.

Yeah. That’s freedom.

What’s the point of it then?

@User135644

Well exactly. The only explanation appears to be to be “fair” to people who haven’t had the vaccine yet. Even though it’s pointless.

No, it's because Boris and the government don't want to rile their back benches/libertarian/anti-vax brigade by bringing in vaccine passports. It's nothing to do with fairness.

Good point

@Tealightsandd

Well one things for sure. Regardless of all the arguments for and against whatever the issue, generally if Tony Blair recommends a course of action, it's best to do the opposite. Whether in this case it's a very rare exception, I don't know, but certainly Tony needs to get off the telly, stay away from the papers, and stfu. He's done more than enough long lasting damage to this country (and beyond). Just enjoy your retirement in leafy Bucks, Tony, and stop trying to involve yourself in important decisions.

I think he made a good point actually. If people see that those who have been vaccinated get more freedom it might encourage higher vaccine take up rates.

I wish the UK would go the way of the US.

Obviously the science is the same, no matter where you live.

It would encourage people who are hesitant to get the vaccine because they would see a personal benefit in terms of freedom.

At the moment, there is the strange no-mans land where the government won't admit that fully vaccinated people are much much safer and lower risk than unvaccinated, while the science clearly indicates that this is not true, but won't create a divide between vaccinated/unvaccinated.

So vaccinated people have to live as if they are unvaccinated. Including self-isolating with no symptoms and a negative test. Which is totally unscientific and illogical and is not going to make hesitant people come forward.

In the US they are promoting vaccinations so much more. Free wine, free prizes, etc. And university students have to be vaccinated to go on campus.

We are lagging behind and still at the stage of actively withholding vaccines from certain groups (students, people wanting their 2nd dose before 12 weeks).

The government needs to change to a more vaccine--passport equals freedom policy (and those with medical exemptions should have equal freedoms).

The Republic of ireland is operating a similar operation as in they don't have to isolate etc.

I'm in the North if Ireland fully vaccinated since March and still have to have a covid swab weekly for work !

And once again Tony Blair is right IMHO

Nothing will change until more people have had both vaccinations. Infection numbers are rising again so will possibly depend on how all this pans out.

So given that I’m fully vaccinated and have been for 5 weeks or so, is there any point in me doing the LFT’s twice a week (not for work)?

@Lemons1571

So given that I’m fully vaccinated and have been for 5 weeks or so, is there any point in me doing the LFT’s twice a week (not for work)?

If you want to check if you're infected, yes.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective (and it seems that efficacy might be a bit lower against the Delta strain).

Obviously it will be different once we have the majority fully vaccinated - because of the true herd immunity effect of limited opportunity for transmission.

LFTs are useless