Brilliant news!

[Vaccineholiday]

I am happy this evening
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/30/uk-vaccine-passport-plans-scrapped/

Ideally I would like them to go one step further and write a “covid freedom bill” (inspired by in part Florida) that:
-banned private business requiring vaccine proof
-ended all mask mandates
-ended all covid restrictions
-any future covid restrictions can be challenged in court if they are not proportionate
-parliament must vote on all future covid restrictions
-pardoned all people prosecuted under the coronavirus act 2020

But very good news in my opinion and a huge step in the right direction.

What a terrible blow for freedom

So much for freedom of choice.

Vaccine passports/certificates/Insert preferred name are such a wonderful exercise in freedom.

Those who don't want the vaccine would be free to go to bars, restaurants, etc who welcome unvaccinated.

Meanwhile, the millions of vulnerable and their loved ones would also be free to go out - to bars, restaurants, etc who choose to be vaccinated only.

Sad the government is so anti freedom.

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Coercion?

Any bar or restaurant that wishes to set up for unvaccinated is free to so as a private business.

The only reason anybody would be against vaccine certificates is if they fear the majority of the public (and therefore bar and restaurant owners) want the reassurance that they're amongst vaccinated. Still even then nothing stopping the minority setting up their own. If there's not enough support. Well that's market forces - the free market for you...

People with blood cancer for example. Vaccines give them only very limited protection. That isn't a choice on their part. They should have the right to freedom to go out and enjoy their lives as much as anyone else. They should not be coerced and forced to choose between staying at home or having their lives put at avoidable risk when they go out. In fact, failure to ensure their safety (and others like them) could constitute disability discrimination.

It discriminatory for businesses to refuse access to those who haven’t been vaccinated

Ah such defenders of freedom. Wanting to force a private business to do something they don't want to do...

Private businesses are free to choose their entrance policies. Well, they are in a free society.

Of course in a free society (where private businesses are allowed control over who they admit onto their premises), that freedom works both ways. Don't like the entrance policy (be it dress code, cost of entry, vaccine status, or whatever) of a private business? You are free to set up your own with your own rules.

The rights of individuals should trump the rights of businesses.

Oh right, I see. Good oh. No more dress codes, no entrance fees, no opening and closing times. Oh - and free drinks and food...because the rights of individuals who can't afford the prices should trump the rights of businesses...

I have had the vaccine and will not be using businesses that demand proof of vaccine, I'm sure I won't be the only one.

@RedRiverShore

I have had the vaccine and will not be using businesses that demand proof of vaccine, I'm sure I won't be the only one.

And that's where - in a free society - vaccine certificates come in. You are free to choose a bar or restaurant that doesn't care if customers and staff are vaccinated.

Other people are free to go to bars and restaurants that opt for giving staff and customers the reassurance of being a vaccinated only premises.

That's the beauty of freedom.

I have been vaccinated and would not want to see passports being introduced. No other vaccination is currently compulsory and this one should be no different.

No other vaccination is currently compulsory and this should be no different

In the same spirit of freedom no private business should be forced to admit customers who might pose a risk to other customers. Just like a pub can refuse service to a drunk.

As I've said several times already, people who don't wish to be vaccinated are free to go to the businesses happy to take the risk. If that's none, they are free to set up their own (free waves included) - which, according to their claims of popular support, should attract plenty of custom.

So freedom for all... Including the vulnerable.

I can see the argument about businesses choosing, good point.

It has the advantage of knowing that you're not mixing with people who expect to you wear a mask to go to the loo etc.

No one should be refused service, stigmatised or inconvenienced because they make a personal choice

No one needs to. They have the free choice to choose an establishment happy to put their wishes before the needs of the vulnerable.

That said, businesses have legal responsibilities to ensure their customers (and staff) are in a safe environment. Those who want to take steps to improve the safety of all their clientele and employees - including the vulnerable - have the right to deny entry to potentially dangerous customers.

If you want to talk about discrimination, it is potential disability discrimination to tell the vulnerable they are not welcome unless they accept an unnecessarily unsafe environment.

Why are some posters so anti freedom?

What's wrong with businesses exercising free choice - deciding whether to be vaccinated only environment, or not?

Why try to force yourselves on the ones who want to offer a safer environment for the vulnerable, when you have the freedom to go elsewhere? Why so desperate to coerce unwilling people into that?

People also have conditions that mean they can’t take the vaccine should they also be denied service?

It is for the sake of those people (and those less protected by the vaccines) that it is important for others around them to have it.

They are the very people a vaccinated only establishment (with obvious exceptions for those medically unable to have it) protects.