Stats on Risks of AZ Vaccine

[Luckingfovely]

Just to put it in perspective (source: NHS Salford).

Why do I think there have been fewer deaths and cases in general?

A big part of it will be that we actually haven't come out of lockdown since 1st September last year. But the vaccine will have played a part as well of course.

I am not denying the vaccine works. My point it that the visual is not an accurate representation of risk.

I don't need a visual from NHS Salford with outdated stats when the JCVI have said the blood clot risks from AZ outweigh the benefits for my age group. I would never take the AZ vaccine even if it's offered as a booster at some stage (I've had the Moderna vaccine). Never smoked or taken the pill so those stats mean very little to me anyway.

All it succeeds in doing is causing more fear in relation to the pill. Pointless. And not everyone takes the pill nor smokes. It's like trying to frighten biological women with prostrate cancer stats. Just stop it. There are alternatives to AZ ffs.

Dreadful the NHS is using out of date statistics like that. It’s officially 1 in 77,000 according to the MHRA and falling every week. Canada estimates it at 1 in 55,000. In Australia the TGA says it’s 2.6 per 100,000 for under 50s.

Don’t forget initially that only the over 70s and vulnerable groups were ever going to be vaccinated ...

whinge whinge whinge. Vaccine not 100% safe. Well, who knew? Small risk of complications. Vaccines always have that.

covid does more to you than a possible blood clot.

as I keep saying, I hope no-one concerned enough about the risks of the vaccine to refuse it ever, ever, ever gets in a car.

The majority of AZ clots are treatable. A percentage of those that get AZ clots don't even stay in hospital overnight. They are sent home with medication.

Like it or not we are vaccinating for a reason. All the vaccines have risks. You are fooling yourself if you believe any are 100% safe. The risks however are tiny compared to so many other things we do each week.

This is the reason to get both doses of the vaccine now and as fast as you can. So far only ONE overnight hospitalisation for a patient who had 2 doses out of total of 5599 sequenced cases of B.1.167.2

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Now that is a big flashing light sign that the vaccines work wonders after two doses. Especially because we don't know if this was a very elderly person or someone with a serious underlying condition etc.

on the table you posted there is a colomn saying reports and then deaths

Johnson and Johnson that also causes blood clots has just been approved in the UK

Going to be interesting to see who on earth they plan to give this too🤓

whinge whinge whinge.

What an odd attitude.

covid does more to you than a possible blood clot.

The fatality rate from this type of blood clot is 18%, which is a hell of a lot higher than covid. Especially for a younger person.

There is a reason why various regulators around the world have placed restrictions on AZ. The data on benefits v risks by age group is widely available. I suggest you read it.

The risk from AZ in my age group isn't 4 in a million, it's 18 in a million for my age group.

The birth control pill can be avoided - especially if you have known risk factors (these are unknown for AZ). Additionally, if you do get a clot from the pill you're far, far less likely to die from it.

You can choose not to smoke. I certainly don't smoke. There are all kinds of risks to smoking that people can choose to accept or not.

The clot risk from Covid isn't anything like 16.5%. It's 16.5% of people who END UP IN ICU. Incidentally, what's my risk of ending up in ICU? It's 18 in a million. IF I catch Covid. IF.

I don't mind people leaning either way but this is actually massive misinformation designed to make people think that the blood clot risk isn't real and that they are stupid. They're not. It is real.

The majority of AZ clots are treatable. A percentage of those that get AZ clots don't even stay in hospital overnight. They are sent home with medication.

Is there data to support this?

An 18% fatality rate is very significant.

Over a total population level?
What about for specific ages, that’s where it’s not so clear cut. A person’s chances of getting ill with Covid is highly correlated with age. How about blood clots after the vaccine? - people suggest that is also more likely in specific age ranges (not the ages typically getting seriously ill with Covid) but I’m not sure we’ve seen anything robust?

Why are you posting something that is based on outdated stats?

The clot risk from Covid isn't anything like 16.5%. It's 16.5% of people who END UP IN ICU. Incidentally, what's my risk of ending up in ICU? It's 18 in a million. IF I catch Covid. IF.
Yes this too (and I’m not anti vax at ALL, I’m very pro it, but I don’t think presenting incorrect facts helps remotely). 16.5% of people who catch COVID get a blood clot? Seriously?
Don’t they reckon something like 25% of the population has had Covid, so that’s something like 2.7m people in the U.K. has had a Covid related blood clot? No.
It might be 16.5% of those hospitalised possibly or 16.5% of those in ICU but it’s pretty rare to end up hospitalised from Covid.

Vaccines are great and look like they are really working better than we even hoped but let’s not treat people like they are stupid.

‘ this is actually massive misinformation designed to make people think that the blood clot risk isn't real and that they are stupid. They're not. It is real.’

Well said @LovelyLadyLily. The graph is insulting.

What are those who have had AZ gonna think when it is withdrawn (prob soon!)

@Endofether

What are those who have had AZ gonna think when it is withdrawn (prob soon!)

No it won't be.

The risks are minuscule and it's the only at cost, not for profit, vaccine. The world needs it.

Clots can be treated.

I'm going to think 'thank fuck for scientists '

Terrible graphic and very misleading - as others have pointed out.

Why would you share this?

I had my first AZ jab (uneventful although I did feel quite rough for a day or so) Havent been called for my second although it wont be long and Im having serious doubts. DH knows people connected to BBC reporter who died recently through work and they are absolutely adamant it was a direct result of jab

Clots can be treated

Tell that to the families of the people who died.

Clots can be treated

One in five dying once they've got the AZ clots. Call that treatment? So disrespectful to those who have lost loved ones. I hope they all don't think they have to be quiet for 'the good of the nation'.

Hi @Rainbowsandstorms. You're absolutely right, of course. In amonst all the the many very sensible people asking sensible questions are many scientists and medics - who are absolutely not "anti-vaxxers" - who very much do not toe the party line that everyone should get the vax. We just don't hear much about them, for political reasons.

Don't listen to the MN mafia if it upsets you - there's a lot more nuance out there. I wonder how many of the most ardent "get your vaccine, you selfish idiot" lot on here have looked at any raw data (for example on the repeated spikes in covid mortality when different countries introduce the vax? This is real; even the BMJ notes it). Step away from MN and make your decisions calmly and independently, as you would want to with any other medical decision.