Cummings evidence today

[Dirtystreetpie]

Anyone listening?

The school I work in started preparing for online learning on 4th March. We all thought it would happen the following week so all children took home workbooks and stationery packs.

We held online lessons at school several times in those weeks before it finally happened so the children all knew how to access online learning. At no point did anyone think it wouldn't happen - we were just waiting for the announcement.

Needanewhat
Yes, the government did fuck up, but none of them had any experience of a worldwide pandemic and the Who said it was not transmitted by humans, they are the experts

Did anybody really expect that BJ or any other politician had the experience, knowledge etc to handle a pandemic, it should have been taken out of their hands, dammed if they do dammed if they don’t, there are still people in the streets saying it’s not real or it’s just the flu, only kills the old etc

No of course not because politicians are expert in politics.

They should have a body of experts in infection control and listen to them and put aside the concerns about press coverage. I don’t understand and I didn’t understand at the time - why not lift their heads out of their arses and talk to other countries who’ve experienced virus outbreaks before?

I don't understand the point. We all know they acted too late but it was over a year ago. Surely we need to move on and leave it in the past?

Is that you Boris?

Surely we need to move on and leave it in the past

It isn't in the past. Yet again they are making the SAME mistakes WRT the Indian variant.

While nobody can deny Cummings is a lying, self serving, odious creature he is not a fool. I don’t think he would put himself front & centre with these claims if he can’t back them up.
There is no good v bad here - both sides are awful. Johnson is a known liar, it’s been spoken about for years that he is lazy & has no interest in details.
At the beginning of this Johnson was almost invisible (where is Boris was no1 trending on Twitter for weeks)
A lot of friends of the Tory party have made a lot of money out of this pandemic, while a lot of our population have died.
All of this needs to be thoroughly investigated & people must be held accountable.

'Yes, why is he turning on Boris Johnson now? What is the real story?(His invite to their wedding next year is truly blown! ) Plus he couldn't help to sneak in a bit about Carrie and her involvement with a preoccupation over the dog story whilst more important things were going on .. It's her he seems to have a bigger problem with.'

Yes it's fascinating and a bit odd all this apologising on the one hand whilst getting bitchy comments in in the next.

I find these committees odd, just holding court there doesn't seem any particular process. He's loving it.

I defended his BC trip and would again. Childcare was always exceptional circumstances but this apologising all seems very fake imo.

@Girlmama3

I don't understand the point. We all know they acted too late but it was over a year ago. Surely we need to move on and leave it in the past?

So we just let governments get away with atrociously poor decisions that cost thousands of lives? A year on we just shrug our shoulders and let them get away with it? I want to see the bastards held to account personally.

the Who said it was not transmitted by humans, they are the experts

Well I guess the Who won't get fooled again.

Leave it in the past to repeat the same mistakes?

Where did Cummings come from? How did he suddenly get so powerful?

Tin foil hat on: Cummings or Gove are a Putin puppet. Sent to interfere in the Brexit referendum and weaken the EU; now to sow confusion and leave everyone unsure who the good guys/bad guys are. Not saying that Boris or any of the cabinet aren’t also complicit. They’re weasels too. But Putin loves to seed foreign governments with chaos-creating plants. It keeps Russia influential. If it means establishing “charter cities” where Russians can take private control of foreign state interests, even better.

Iggly
China denied it to start with, WHO said it was not transmitted between humans, Countries did different things, Sweden etc, this pandemic has shown a lot of people up,

The 'Trump was going round trying to gazump everyone on PPE' made me laugh out loud. I hate the fella but he is a genius, I am not buying this 'I am not a clever man, I don't understand the technicalities' - this is ALL a pre-empt for getting Gove the slime creep in.

Select Committees are important - if you don't understand why and think people should 'move on' from 127k deaths you need your head testing.

There was slightly more to it than "acted too late", there needs to be a public inquiry to ascertain the level of incompetence, lying, corruption and possibly criminality.

There needs to be a public inquiry but it can’t just focus on lies and corruption and which bad politician is the baddest. There are bigger problems here. SAGE were advising the government not to lock down, which seems awful in hindsight but presumably made sense to them at the time.

We need an inquiry that looks at what we’ve learned from this and what governments can do to plan better for the next time, knowing now what we know.

I don't understand the point. We all know they acted too late but it was over a year ago. Surely we need to move on and leave it in the past?

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Boris's idol, Winston Churchill

I think his giving evidence has little to do with COVID and more to with Tory grandees trying to oust Boris Johnson. I suspect that they've approached Cummings with the promise of a job under a new leader provided he gives them some ammo, which is what he appears to be doing.

I could be wrong but I do know that the Tory bigwigs want rid of Johnson and want 'one of their own' in office (I don't know who) and that Cummings' appearance has little to do with nobility and altruism.

SpindleWhorl
This is what I’m saying, they’re the so called experts and got it wrong, but people expect Parliament with no knowledge or experience to be experts

I think whichever way the government went would have resulted in deaths. We were told people would die right at the beginning. Every government has done different things and none have been wholly successful. Countries are too different in terms of ages and the spread of the population for there to be a course of action that would have worked worldwide. Yes people would like answers but unless there is concrete proof that a different course of action would have resulted in certain people not losing their lives then I don't see how they can get compensation.

Cummings is an arsehole, manipulative and dishonest, you may as well have a toad sitting there croaking an answer to every question.

Nobody will be held to account. Not for years anyway. This could go on for decades and like all big stories there will be claims and counter claims and lies and people will grow tired of it and want to move on.
The Tories have a huge majority in Parliament, they won a by election last month , people will stick up for them through thick and thin. It'll take a bigger man than Dominic Cummings to bring them down. If this is his aim here. It's hard to know what he hopes to achieve to be honest unless he is a Russian plant? I know he lived and worked there for a while.
Tory supporters are very loyal. They will just shrug a lot of it off as just a 'grudge match' old news and what about the vaccine ! The one thing that has gone right.
It will never be seen the same as Tony Blair and his war crimes despite everything.

Getting in this thread. This woman is muffled :(

@TatoAndBeans

Where did Cummings come from? How did he suddenly get so powerful?

Tin foil hat on: Cummings or Gove are a Putin puppet. Sent to interfere in the Brexit referendum and weaken the EU; now to sow confusion and leave everyone unsure who the good guys/bad guys are. Not saying that Boris or any of the cabinet aren’t also complicit. They’re weasels too. But Putin loves to seed foreign governments with chaos-creating plants. It keeps Russia influential. If it means establishing “charter cities” where Russians can take private control of foreign state interests, even better.

I also want to know how DC feels so emboldened. Who is protecting him? The powerful in this country are not above making people "who know stuff" disappear as much as we'd like to think it doesn't happen here (Dr Kelly anyone?). Hmmm 🤔.

@Lelliebellieboo

The problem is that Cummings is so sneaky that there's no way on earth that he's telling the truth about any of it. He wants to destroy Johnson and Hancock and conveniently forget the role that he played in this whole situation.

This.

The world already knows he is a lying shitbag. I don't doubt Johnson and Hancock are lying shitbags too but honestly, I wouldn't believe a word Cummings says. And if it is true, I'd bet my ass he was complicit in it all.

Yes, this MP is very muffled.

I have subtitles on anyway, but they're crap for live parliament.

@Girlmama3

I don't understand the point. We all know they acted too late but it was over a year ago. Surely we need to move on and leave it in the past?

If they weren't fit to be running the country a year ago then they shouldn't be running it now. That's the point.

Why was that MP so muffled and unintelligible?

This one isn't.