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Cummings evidence today

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Dirtystreetpie · 26/05/2021 09:57

Anyone listening?

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itsgettingwierd · 26/05/2021 19:16

@pinkearedcow

I honestly don't know how much of this to believe. The stuff about Johnson proposing getting injected with coronavirus live on TV seems really out there, but then again Downing Street's response seem to neither confirm or deny.

If Cummings has proof of the "let the bodies pile high" allegation that, in normal times, would be enough to bring Johnson down. But I don't think anything will topple the fucker.

Everyone who has lost someone to covid must be feeling awful listening to this.

I'm not sure it's totally out there him suggesting he get injected with covid.

I doubt it was a serious suggestion they actually do it but rather one if his stupid comments in response to a serious situation because he can't respond sensibly or maturely.

Not too dissimilar to his actual,comments about shaking hands with covid victims before he nearly dies of it

WhiteSquare · 26/05/2021 19:17

I very much doubt Cummings gave anymore of a shit about public welfare than Boris himself did. This is just DC being spiteful

pennylane83 · 26/05/2021 19:19

Oh for goodness sake. I don't have blood on my hands because I went out for a meal with my family in August. What nonsense

But the man whose scheme you and others happily took advantage of apparently does according to some posters. That's what is nonsense. That some people think that he is responsible and should be punished for the deaths that arose because joe public made the concious decision to dine out.

tigger1001 · 26/05/2021 19:19

@Puzzledandpissedoff

his body language is telling me he isn’t being truthful. Surprise, surprise

I suspect the old phrase "no sh1t Sherlock" may be appropriate

What I really want to know is the story behind this, considering he and Boris were once pretty close ... what was Cummings promised that he's failed to get, for example

This!
Leonardsgirl · 26/05/2021 19:20

Pennylane83 I agree absolutely. Covid is not the only thing destroying lives.

newnortherner111 · 26/05/2021 19:23

@pennylane83 eat out to help out would have been a sensible scheme if it had included takeaways, excluded some fast food such as McDonalds and KFC, and not forced people to sit indoors spreading the virus.

Lansonmaid · 26/05/2021 19:24

If Cummings is telling the truth then Boris Johnson is even more vile than I thought. If Cummings is a conniving liar then Boris Johnson’s judgement in appointing him to be his political advisor seems very suspect. Either way it doesn’t reflect too well on the PM

longwayoff · 26/05/2021 19:25

He was indeed, the80sweregreat. Let me know if he ever gets round to answering a question at one of those PMQs, I'll set some time aside for the novelty.

Changechangychange · 26/05/2021 19:29

@pennylane83

Oh for goodness sake. I don't have blood on my hands because I went out for a meal with my family in August. What nonsense

But the man whose scheme you and others happily took advantage of apparently does according to some posters. That's what is nonsense. That some people think that he is responsible and should be punished for the deaths that arose because joe public made the concious decision to dine out.

I think the point is that they encouraged people to believe that it was safe, in order to get them spending money, when it clearly wasn’t safe at all.

I don’t believe any of the scientific advisors can have thought it was desirable to get people mixing indoors again (independent SAGE was against it, and it was clear to lots of us on here that is wasn’t a good idea). But the government knowingly put lobbying from the hospitality industry over public health.

I don’t blame the public for believing what they were told - they weren’t in possession of all the evidence. BJ presumably was, and ignored it.

AndromedaGal · 26/05/2021 19:30

He’s an absolute snake & today just smacks of frustration & bitterness. He’ll achieve nothing by spilling his guts. He is full of deceit & maliciousness & half-baked truths.

Everyone can see straight through him. And all those manipulative words about how he was to blame in part; a futile & transparent opener to get Joe Public on his side.

What a rat. He is not to be trusted.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 26/05/2021 19:30

@JaniieJones

'Ok, love how you over look the absolute shit show of a cabinet we have at the moment.'

Well I don't, but the alternative would not have performed any better infact probably 100 times worse.

I'm still not sure what Cumming's said that was revolutionary or revealing. It was all just his opinion wasn't it. We already knew a lot of what he said, we knew symtomless transmission was initially missed, we knew patients were discharged from hospital without being tested.

We perhaps didn't know how much he loathed Hancock but so what really.

Corbyn’s been pretty much a step or two ahead on covid. If he’d have made the same decisions in government as he’s been suggesting when the government has been doing fuck all we might be in a different place now.

And no, I’ve never voted for labour and wouldn’t have voted for Corbyn if I was a labour supporter.

TruelyStruttingHotpants · 26/05/2021 19:30

Eat out to help out was a massive waste of money but didn't have much to do with spreading covid. Most places had strict rules and followed them.

If you want to now places that drove the virus look at banquet hall suddenly declined themselves as restaurants. Then holding weddings in plan sight up and down the country. Friends were attending weddings in late summer and autumn with 80 to 100 or more guests. As the weddings were much smaller than the normal mass gathering they couldn't see anything wrong this. Eventually the councils started to realise the situation or were getting reports and closing venues. However a bit late by then.

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 19:31

@Fishandhips

I do think there should be an independent investigation know how covid was handled, but Cummings can fuck off. One of the biggest triggers for people thinking screw it, I'm done with abiding by the rules was him swanning off and then making a load of shit up to try and justify himself.
Most people outside of MN and the media didn't care less about him. Lots barely heard of him.

Nah, far more impact (on people's attitude to lockdown) from the wide open borders and hundreds of thousands of international arrivals travelling straight from the airports across the country.

TruelyStruttingHotpants · 26/05/2021 19:33

We if Corbyn was in charge. I suppose we would have less UK citizens in the country to overwhelm the NHS for a start.

Also maybe he could have stopped his brother holding lockdown etc protests too.

Kendodd · 26/05/2021 19:34

The Conservative Party could have chosen a different candidate instead of this clown
Indeed. I think if Rory Stewart had been chosen as leader thousands of people would still be alive today, but Tory members (those same people who think I return to violence and death in NI is a price worth paying for Brexit) wanted Johnson. I wonder how many Tory members who voted for Johnson have paid with their lives.

Leonardsgirl · 26/05/2021 19:37

People weren't sitting there spreading the virus during Eat Out to Help Out. It was well managed, and after months of people spending time at home unable to go anywhere it was nice to see friends and family enjoying themselves. We can't stay locked up forever and at the time, during the summer, people needed a break.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/05/2021 19:39

The authoritarian deliberately degrades the concept of external, verifiable truth and removes structure, to create a vacuum in which s/he can become the source of all Truth and Order. The more that certainty is destroyed, the more followers have to cling to their leader personally as the source of Truth, Order and Comfort

Absolutely spot on, Perking, and something that could do with being repeated every time someone asks "what's in it for Boris?" ... and that applies whether it's about lockdown, easing of restrictions or anything else

He is full of deceit & maliciousness & half-baked truths

Cummings is part of the political machine, and as said this goes with the territory

MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2021 19:40

@Leonardsgirl

People weren't sitting there spreading the virus during Eat Out to Help Out. It was well managed, and after months of people spending time at home unable to go anywhere it was nice to see friends and family enjoying themselves. We can't stay locked up forever and at the time, during the summer, people needed a break.
I haven’t got an issue with EOTHO either

It was a long year, we could have stayed home entire time but it was hard enough

Fishandhips · 26/05/2021 19:42

Most people outside of MN and the media didn't care less about him. Lots barely heard of him.

Not my experience at all.

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 19:43

@TruelyStruttingHotpants

We if Corbyn was in charge. I suppose we would have less UK citizens in the country to overwhelm the NHS for a start.

Also maybe he could have stopped his brother holding lockdown etc protests too.

I wonder how far from his brother's views he really is. Jeremy was caught breaking lockdown rules at least once. He also doesn't know how to wear a mask. He's one of those annoying as fuck mask under the nose people.
TheBobJog · 26/05/2021 19:43

Johnson, Hancock, Cummings, they are all a disgrace.

Regardless of what really happened, this is the team who came up with that pathetic 'child care' Durham excuse in the same week that a 13 year old boy died from COVID in a hospital alone. They just simply do not care.

Tealightsandd · 26/05/2021 19:45

@Fishandhips

Most people outside of MN and the media didn't care less about him. Lots barely heard of him.

Not my experience at all.

It is mine.

Just goes to show how different we all are. Widely varied individual experiences.

Kendodd · 26/05/2021 19:47

The authoritarian deliberately degrades the concept of external, verifiable truth and removes structure, to create a vacuum in which s/he can become the source of all Truth and Order. The more that certainty is destroyed, the more followers have to cling to their leader personally as the source of Truth, Order and Comfort

I heard one of the government (can't remember who) attacking the BBC news the other day and demanding change saying it doesn't represent a significant percentage the country and it should reflect their views more. Chilling. No, it shouldn't reflect anyone's views, it should just present the truth and strive to do nothing more than that.

Unsure33 · 26/05/2021 19:47

I think a lot of threads on this forum have reflected life . About 50% agreed with strict lock down and 50% thought the affect on business and mental health was just too much ( and to be honest we did not have as strict as lock down as many other countries ) we are not an island in some ways because we have constant traffic and trade through euro tunnel etc which would have bought the country to a standstill if it had stopped . So I am sure a lot of different advisors ere saying a lot of different things including WHO. And that is understandable because even the best planning is difficult in a situation like a pandemic. Yes mistakes were made of course they were but this man was in on those decisions and obviously not under a confidentiality clause so if he knew better than anyone else he should have blown the whistle earlier .

At the moment he is coming across as a petulant child and a back stabbing one at that .

And yes I did defend him at the time of his drive because he had a special needs child

And yes I have lost family to covid .

It’s been a terrible time for everyone as far as I am concerned including the government and hindsight is a wonderful thing . As I am sure other world leaders who have lost thousands of citizens are discovering as well.

MarshaBradyo · 26/05/2021 19:50

@Unsure33

I think a lot of threads on this forum have reflected life . About 50% agreed with strict lock down and 50% thought the affect on business and mental health was just too much ( and to be honest we did not have as strict as lock down as many other countries ) we are not an island in some ways because we have constant traffic and trade through euro tunnel etc which would have bought the country to a standstill if it had stopped . So I am sure a lot of different advisors ere saying a lot of different things including WHO. And that is understandable because even the best planning is difficult in a situation like a pandemic. Yes mistakes were made of course they were but this man was in on those decisions and obviously not under a confidentiality clause so if he knew better than anyone else he should have blown the whistle earlier .

At the moment he is coming across as a petulant child and a back stabbing one at that .

And yes I did defend him at the time of his drive because he had a special needs child

And yes I have lost family to covid .

It’s been a terrible time for everyone as far as I am concerned including the government and hindsight is a wonderful thing . As I am sure other world leaders who have lost thousands of citizens are discovering as well.

I agree with much of this but just on a small point I don’t think the child with SN it’s just rumour not verified.