How long before the bribes start?

[Suranjeep]

In regard to the vaccine.

We’ve seen how this has been working. After a while the Government starts throwing ( printed) money at the issue.

I’m guessing once each age group has become eligible they’ll start back creeping down the ages offering some sort of bribe to get those not yet vaccinated in for theirs.

@penni00

I recall Matt Hancock a few weeks back now saying he had something up his sleeve to encourage the younger people to take up the vaccinations. Wondered what that might be at the time. Still to find out....

Opening up slots seems to be working so far as a strategy.

No bribe may be needed or considered. Not being able to travel abroad to some countries may be enough.

Ultimately under 50s aren’t high priority, vaccinating them doesn’t “save lives” only reduces cases

Reducing cases is as much a goal of vaccination as saving lives. The more vaccinations, the less people needing hospitalisation. The less hospitalisation p, the less pressure on the NHS. Less pressure on the NHS, no need for lockdown, No need for lockdown means economic stability. Economic stability and then growth is what any Government of either left or right persuasion wants for their own survival and for the people they represent.

None of this is rocket science.

The desire to go on holiday, the fear that you might not be allowed in festivals/gigs without proof of vaccine are doing the work of a bribe.

But we can easily cope with 10% or so refusing, so long as they arent all concentrated in the same place.

Will the government eventually want all those under 18 vaccinated too? And will people feel passionately about vaccinating their own children as they do about the adult population?

Uptake in England is very high, as soon as people are allowed.

Daft to suggest bribes required.

Source: www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

‘Opening up slots seems to be working so far as a strategy.‘

One thing that Bolton made clear is how many more people will come forward when it’s made easy for them.

In my area I heard on the radio (not a hot spot for Indian variant - low cases here) there are walk in, no appointment, centres open

There are plenty of us keen to be vaccinated before this becomes an issue.
Being able to go on holiday abroad is enough of an incentive for another big slice of people to get an appointment.
Then if vaccine supply is no longer the limiting factor, local pop-in clinics will be another easier way to be done.

I just don't see vaccine hesitancy as the biggest issue for a while yet.

I also think Bolton can show how a local outbreak can focus the mind on getting a vaccination sooner than later.

In Thailand if you’re vaccinated you can win a cow, not sure that incentive will catch on here.
Cow raffle

And yes I want my teenager to be vaccinated tbh as we haven't yet been hit hard in our area so I doubt we've had it and they attend school so are likely to encounter a covid outbreak at some point this autumn if not before.
Imo The risks are worth it in this scenario.

@Larkstongues

There will be neither carrots or sticks.

The unvaccinated are the control group. Lol.

They actively want comparison group.

Eh? Do you not think they’ve already got enough data from the last year and more recent global data about unvaccinated cases to form pretty reliable comparisons to the vaccinated population?

@BlessedBeTheFruitCake

In Thailand if you’re vaccinated you can win a cow, not sure that incentive will catch on here. Cow raffle

In Ohio they’re entering people into a lottery for five $1 million prizes or four years free tuition if under 18.

www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/nb0qrm/5_vaccinated_ohioans_will_be_chosen_at_random_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Cornettoninja, nobody yet knows what the long term affects are, though. If anyone wants the vaccine, up to them but I think the assertion that they're 100% safe is way off.
So I can understand the hesitancy.

@Larkstongues

Cornettoninja, nobody yet knows what the long term affects are, though. If anyone wants the vaccine, up to them but I think the assertion that they're 100% safe is way off. So I can understand the hesitancy.

the reason most people are pretty relaxed about this is there is no historical basis for long term effects from vaccines

you have the vaccination, you mount an immune response and then it is out your system. If side effects are going to occur (as we have observed), they will appear shortly after vaccination

When you make the comparison to long term effects from covid itself, for me it's a no brainer in terms of balance of risks

Give a voucher for a free pint in 'spoons, that'll get a lot of the younger folk accepting the jab. I heard something about some of the States doing similar and it working pretty well.

But yeah they're Tories so the stick is more likely.

Here in NYC, there a various freebies - a weeklong metrocard handed out at J&J vaccination sites, baseball game tickets if you get your vaccine when in the stadium at a game, and things like Krispy Kremes and fries

We had the mayor eating Shake Shack on his daily tv briefing about a week ago promoting the free stuff.

I'm fully vaxxed a while now before the incentives were a thing, but think I can still present my vaccination card at a few places and get a free donut or the like if I so wish

Actually the USA is already doing this and it's widespread. From New York's offer of the equivalent of a Big Mac with every jab, to lottery sweepstakes with $1million prizes. I think the bigger problem is not whether it should be done in the UK (if it works, then it's not all that stupid an idea, especially when you compare it to some the government has already come up with), but the fact that British people are generally much more compliant than many, so those refusing the vaccine are less likely to fall into the "can't be arsed" groups. It's much harder to find inducements for those who have a religious, scientific or other objection - not matter how ill-founded those objections may be in any kind of fact.

I have an inkling that most on this thread are Diane Abbott fans.....😂

@Larkstongues fair enough and I also support the individuals right to choose, but I do wonder what the general definition of ‘long term’ is. 6 months? 10 years? There’s a point where it’s very hard to link the vaccine to long term side effects because so many other factors will come into play for each individual. If something like CVST was a risk five months after the vaccine it would be incredibly hard to definitively link it back to a vaccine. If you include a years long waiting period in making any vaccine available then the risk/benefit profile changes again because then we’re in a world with a disease and no vaccine.

I’ve used the aspirin and children example before but that took decades (in terms of a processed and manufactured drug) to prove a credible link to Reye’s syndrome in young children and even then only changed the usage guidelines and it’ll still be used in some cases where the benefit outweighs the risk.

In terms of a control group who are unvaccinated though, that will naturally happen through hesitancy and inability to have any of the vaccines, there isn’t a need to purposefully create one.

In terms of a control group who are unvaccinated though, that will naturally happen through hesitancy and inability to have any of the vaccines, there isn’t a need to purposefully create one.

That isn't a control group.

@SakuraEdenSwan1

The Torys are scum, this has been planned for years, our freedoms gone regardless. People need to wake up!

ODSUD

@MrsTerryPratchett

In terms of a control group who are unvaccinated though, that will naturally happen through hesitancy and inability to have any of the vaccines, there isn’t a need to purposefully create one.

That isn't a control group.

Well the vaccination programme isn’t an experiment either is it? Officially I mean. I wasn’t the one instigating the terminology used.