How long before the bribes start?

[Suranjeep]

In regard to the vaccine.

We’ve seen how this has been working. After a while the Government starts throwing ( printed) money at the issue.

I’m guessing once each age group has become eligible they’ll start back creeping down the ages offering some sort of bribe to get those not yet vaccinated in for theirs.

@byvirtue

How long are vaccines realistically going to go on for? My friend is a nurse and is doing vaccine shifts on top of the day job. She’s fed up, she said it felt like they were making a difference at the start now she’s essentially a vaccine robot asking questions and vaccinating non stop. She’s had enough. I think they will offer the vaccine to everyone then we will see the old and vulnerable provided with boosters (annually??? Let’s face it no one knows yet). Anyone else will need to pay for boosters privately. Ultimately under 50s aren’t high priority, vaccinating them doesn’t “save lives” only reduces cases.

I don’t get her point?

I hope she doesn’t convey this feeling to those she’s vaccinating. Vaccinating the under 50s is about reducing transmission, thereby protecting those older/vulnerable people who couldn’t have the vaccine, or for those the vaccine won’t protect.

There’s nothing to stop them training and employing more vaccinators. It’s not surprising she’s burning out. They will carry on jabbing and booster jabbing until there’s no serious risk of the economy shutting down again- the cost of vaccinating everyone several times a year is still a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of furlough.

@byvirtue

Her point to me was she can’t carry on vaccinating indefinitely. I have another friend who works in a vaccination hub (a pharmacist returning from mat leave) she is contacted for 4 days but is working 6 days a week with 2 young children. The work load is not sustainable long term. Many health care workers are going above and beyond to vaccinate but they won’t carry on forever.

My Dad, an ex GP did all the online St John’s Ambulance training (a lot!), went to a day’s training course, and has yet to vaccinate a single person because he can’t get a slot anywhere within an hour to be a vaccinator.

If she wants to stop she can. There are plenty who will take up the cause.

Moaning about your job? Nothing new.

At the start the number of lives saved per jab will have been much higher so it’s understandable that would translate into more job satisfaction, even though the work is still crucial.

I think they did 30m flu vaccines too. Usually half that?

They are up to over 70% having had the 1st jab.

Put bluntly, those refusing are those less likely to get sick, so leave them to it. You can't go on holiday, or take many customer facing jobs, or go to gigs, oh dear, your problem. The jab will be annoying thing you have to get.

@Doomsdayisstillcoming well maybe he will get his chance soon. Many hcw have been vaccinating on top of their day jobs for 6 months now without a break. From what I understand there is a degree of pressure for hcw to do their bit, but you would expect a certain amount of staff attrition over time.

I can see it would be more exciting to be vaccinating people who are grateful and excited to be vaccinated because they have been in fear for their lives, than people who are just being jabbed to protect others/to get it done as a civic duty/so they can go on holiday.

And I bet there's lots of 2nd jabs now, which isn't anywhere near as emotional.

But theres less than 30% of the adult population to go. Get the bulk of them done and we can just get on with life.

I do think as soon as all over 18s are entitled to book a jab, then many employers will require it for customer facing (and often lower paid) jobs. I can see benefit sanctions for refusing to be jabbed so you can't apply for certain roles.

Unvaccinated people seeing they can't go on the holiday they want or even pushing up their travel insurance costs to be unvaccinated. Some live performances requiring it or negative tests will be annoying.

No need to bribe people, allow discrimination against the unvaccinated and then offer them a free jab.

@SakuraEdenSwan1

The Torys are scum, this has been planned for years, our freedoms gone regardless. People need to wake up!

Don't be so utterly ridiculous

Strange thread in Britain where vaccine uptake is so very high.

@Dustyboots

I think that in the not too far off future. Perhaps a year ... they’ll give up with Covid vaccines.

I think the huge number of variants will make it impossible to control with vaccines.

Nonsense. Try understanding vaccines.

Spain is allowing unrestricted travel, no vaccine or negative test results required. No stick there.

Spain might not require a vaccine now, that might change when everyone has access to them if they want, and even then your insurance could be higher.

Other countries asking for it will limit where you can go without.

I think the huge number of variants will make it impossible to control with vaccine

@Dustyboots

As we vaccinate more people, the chances of new variants decrease.

lower transmission = lower rate of mutation = lower change of significant antigenic change

Its also worth noting we've already got beyond 70% of adults who have had the 1st jab (and I presume most of those who've gone for 1 will go for the 2nd), and herd immunity is usually classed as around 60-70% of the population. As its just adults who have had the jab so far, its not 70% of the whole population, but we are not far from that.

If younger people refuse, but have immunity from having caught and survived covid, they are still in that herd immunity numbers.

We are getting there. A few loud anti-vaxers isn't translating into mass refusals.

Her point to me was she can’t carry on vaccinating indefinitely.

Well no. If it becomes a constant merry go round, then properly designated people will have to man it. But the logistics of this aren’t terribly complex, certainly compared to the alternatives.

I'm a nurse working at a vaccination centre. I do the shifts in addition to my regular job.
We are constantly training more vaccinators as many people have been working whilst on furlough. It's a constantly evolving service.

Hi Stiggy, thank you!!

I don't think it will happen. The takeup rate in the UK is so high--the highest for any major country, I believe. Many of those who refuse will have antibodies against the virus anyway. Some of them will get the vax in order to travel overseas (because the need to vax in order to travel will probably not go away for a while, no matter what policies the UK puts in place).

I just hope that those of you refusing the vaccine realize that nobody is going to continue locking down in order to protect you. If you refuse this vax, you are deliberately choosing a small but real risk of getting very sick. I will not be refraining from gettogethers, pubs, travel or anything else to keep you safe from this.

@user1477391263 I don’t recall seeing anyone asking you to refrain from anything

I recall Matt Hancock a few weeks back now saying he had something up his sleeve to encourage the younger people to take up the vaccinations. Wondered what that might be at the time. Still to find out....

Thanks @StiggyZardust

My vaccinator was an utter delight. Didn't give the impression of disillusionment at all!

If you refuse this vax, you are deliberately choosing a small but real risk of getting very sick. I will not be refraining from gettogethers, pubs, travel or anything else to keep you safe from this.

No one asked you to refrain from anything. You’re making up pretend scenarios in your head. I’ve seen lots of people say it on threads, maybe it’s a side effect of the vaccine. 😬

There will be neither carrots or sticks.

The unvaccinated are the control group. Lol.

They actively want comparison group.