Breaking News Boris press conference tonight 14/05/21

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So, is Monday under threat? Change to school masks or hugs?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

My way of dealing with this would be localised, tough ... & unpopular

Bearing in mind the kind of areas where most of the infections are, how do you feel this will go down with the minority communities?

At least in my own east midlands city there's been practically no attempt at enforcement in order not to inflame tensions; it seems to be what matters above all else, even the consequences of Covid
So how would you handle the outcry which would inevitably follow if tougher measures were adopted?

I am not understanding your post. What enforcement are you talking about? For what?

[quote loginfail]@Belladonna12

They can go to the destination, another person can remove the items and then they can isolate.

Ah I see a bit like the long running idea of arriving at the UK, getting home under your own steam and then confinement at home...

....and then what do you do with the now empty lorry that should be turning to (hopefully) take items across the Channel and into Europe?

Leave it outside the place of quarantine for umpteen days?

Can't see that idea lasting very long...nobody would risk exporting to the UK...[/quote]
It's not like people arriving in the UK and then getting home "under their own steam" which would probably involve public transport. Freight drivers have their own vehicle and are not mixing with other people.
They can return the lorry to the depot if the company has one in the UK and will be up to the company to sort out what happens with the goods. If that's not possible they can park the lorry in the hotel car park where they are self isolating and again it will be up to their company to sort out what happens with the goods.

Can't see that idea lasting very long...nobody would risk exporting to the UK...

It's actually pretty much what is happening anyway for companies exporting to the Uk. Probably not many of the drivers test positive so it won't have a huge impact.

I've not read the whole thread, have I missed something re freight drivers? Are they a driver for disease? Excuse the pun.

What enforcement are you talking about? For what?

Put simply, enforcement of the various restrictions, whether that's closure of premises during lockdowns, bans on movement or large gatherings or whatever else

They can return the lorry to the depot if the company has one in the UK and will be up to the company to sort out what happens with the goods. If that's not possible they can park the lorry in the hotel car park where they are self isolating and again it will be up to their company to sort out what happens with the goods.

Er, yep, right, OK,

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

I've not read the whole thread, have I missed something re freight drivers? Are they a driver for disease? Excuse the pun.

Not really

Pp talking about wanting to live normally like Aus

But you’d need no cases escaping, or if you have one to act quickly

Pp thought they could test and quarantine but you’d find it hard to get drivers to sign up for that and employers pay for it

So you can keep cases very low coming on but for Aus style it’s not really a solution

@Puzzledandpissedoff

What enforcement are you talking about? For what?

Put simply, enforcement of the various restrictions, whether that's closure of premises during lockdowns, bans on movement or large gatherings or whatever else

Thank you.

Your post bothers me actually.
Seems to say 1 set of rules for some people, and 1 set for others?

@lightand no they said they may not be quite as effective but they will be effective enough. The scientists (which you may want to listen to over ‘newspaper headlines’) are correct to say there is no reason to think they won’t hold against this variant. Don’t twist headlines to suit your scaremongering.

That’s the third time I’ve had to explain that this morning...

@Puzzledandpissedoff

We have laws, we have law enforcement & I wouldn't be afraid to deploy the army either.

Tradition & Religion don't get to over ride those laws. Well, they seem to here, but they shouldn't.

Show me a link please that says they will be effective enough?

MN posts are rammed full of scary things about covid!!!

Did you listen to the press conference yesterday? @lightand the scientists (not the Daily Mail) said there was no reason to believe the vaccines wouldn’t work against the Indian variant. Until you have information that says they won’t work and there will be deaths and hospitalisations then yes you are scaremongering (based on a Daily Mail headline).

Maybe get your sources from elsewhere.

They don’t know. That doesn’t mean we need to panic. If they are shown to be not effective enough and people are dying then start your panicking.

Your post bothers me actually
Seems to say 1 set of rules for some people, and 1 set for others?

Obviously I can only speak about my own local area, but round here I'm afraid that's exactly what we've got. As said, there's much talk about "looking into the problems", but that involves longer term measures and more immediate ones such as enforcement are resisted for fear of offending the community

Even local door-to-door following up of the unvaccinated is causing displeasure on the basis that it's "racist targeting", and in fact one of our local councillors is running a campaign for it to be stopped

All of which is why I ask if anyone can suggest how this might be better approached, in the context of a situation where action's needed in the short term

You now say they dont know.
Not the same at all as what you posted, saying that they will be effective enough.
You shouldnt really post like that @Delatron

No @lightand you posted that they didn’t work which is scaremongering and irresponsible quite frankly. Based on a Daily Mail headline.

I don’t think me pointing that out and referring back to what the scientists have actually said is irresponsible. We need to stick to the facts right now and what we do and do not know.

@lightand maybe go away and educate yourself and do a bit of reading that isn’t from a tabloid newspaper headliners

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Your post bothers me actually Seems to say 1 set of rules for some people, and 1 set for others?

Obviously I can only speak about my own local area, but round here I'm afraid that's exactly what we've got. As said, there's much talk about "looking into the problems", but that involves longer term measures and more immediate ones such as enforcement are resisted for fear of offending the community

Even local door-to-door following up of the unvaccinated is causing displeasure on the basis that it's "racist targeting", and in fact one of our local councillors is running a campaign for it to be stopped

All of which is why I ask if anyone can suggest how this might be better approached, in the context of a situation where action's needed in the short term

As far as I am concerned, there should not be two sets of rules. And they shouldnt be able to get the luxury of saying "racist targeting" when lives and livelihoods are at stake. Not on.

@loginfail

They can return the lorry to the depot if the company has one in the UK and will be up to the company to sort out what happens with the goods. If that's not possible they can park the lorry in the hotel car park where they are self isolating and again it will be up to their company to sort out what happens with the goods.

Er, yep, right, OK,

That is what is happening anyway if non-uk drivers drivers test positive in the UK. Why would it be impossible for UK companies to organise? They probably have to do that the driver test positive while in France or other European countries at the moment.

The Warwick hospital admissions graph assumes complete protection from vaccines but a variant with higher transmission. (Modelling from Warwick University for SAGE)

And the minutes from the SAGE emergency meeting about the Indian Variant on Thursday say that because it's more transmissible there aren't enough people vaccinated to stop another wave.

(About 46% of the U.K. population is still completely unvaccinated and only about 29% is fully vaccinated.)

The exact quote from the SAGE Indian Variant emergency meeting is

22. Considering this, it is a realistic possibility that this scale of B.1.617.2 growth could lead to a very large increase in transmission. At this point in the vaccine roll out, there are still too few adults vaccinated to prevent a significant resurgence that ultimately could put unsustainable pressure on the NHS, without non-pharmaceutical interventions.

Thank you @PrincessNutNuts
A poster saying they will be effective enough, and then saying in the next post, they dont know, is not accurate.

and me saying "not work so well" is not the same as saying "they didnt work". Tut tut.
I shall not be taking much notice of your posts in future @Delatron, if they are going to be so inaccurate. No need for me to carry on the conversation with you. People can read for themselves, what you have written.

You clearly don’t like to be corrected do you @lightand

What I posted was entirely accurate based on what the current thinking is from scientists. You on the other hand. Well... hopefully most people saw your post for what it was. I will always pull up scaremongering inaccurate posts. Especially those based on tabloid headlines. And I’ll continue to do so. Feel free to ignore, my posts aren’t for you but for those that you may scare with your unfounded crap.

And when you have to defer to @PrincessNutNuts who has started how many threads? You kind of lose most people, thankfully.

And since you don’t appear to understand even @PrincessNutNuts post is not saying the vaccines aren’t effective just that maybe we haven’t vaccinated enough people. They are completely different things!

Lightand

The papers are saying they may not stop transmission

They are expected to stop severe illness and death which is surely what matters