Indian variant - will the roadmap be delayed?

[nonono1]

I was feeling very hopeful about the future until reading that the Indian variant is now spreading fast in some communities.

In light of this, do you think we will stick to the roadmap as planned, or will restrictions be kept in place for longer? It seems like we're still going ahead with the big opening up on Monday.

Also, what about weddings? My SIL is getting married in August and we're really hoping it will still go ahead!

@PrincessNutNuts

Newsnight had a good segment and discussion over the reasons for refusal. In some cases its due to decades of inequality and lack of trust in the Government
You reap what you sow.
Here is the segment and discussion.
www.youtube.com/watch?at_custom4=F7A78DEA-6239-11EB-9933-AAFB15F31EAE&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom3=%40BBCNewsnight&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&v=PpSpsKiGidk&feature=youtu.be

Dr Annabel Sowemimo makes the points about inequality and how people have got to that way of thinking.

@PrincessNutNuts It is down to decades of mistreatment. Trying to erase lived experiences wont work.

[quote LeSquigh]@NoMLMbots It’s a bit sick that you find people suffering “amusing”. I don’t know why people like you bother using forums if you don’t want to hear people’s experiences. Carry on living in your bubble where everything is rosy 🙄. I would be more than happy to provide MNHQ with more detailed information that back up what I’ve said, but unfortunately I’m not going to do that on an open forum because it would be outing.

The reactions to the vaccine - all true.
The outbreak in my workplace - true.
The high level of PHE involvement - again, true.
The Indian VOC being identified - also true - the BBC have reported workplaces being involved in these outbreaks, mine is one of them, I’m not sure why that is so hard to believe.
People that have been double vaccinated that have been hospitalised - true.

I’m not anti-vax, I’ve been double vaccinated myself. I’ve never really believed that things have been massively covered up by the government however when some of said colleagues are having to give streams of very detailed information about their whereabouts to PHE going back a large number of weeks and asking them why the vaccine isn’t working and being told “there is no evidence of that” it does start to look like a cover up. I don’t know why, nor do I really care, but I do care about my friends who have been really sick.[/quote]
I believe you too. I remember your first post about staff being floored by the AZ vaccine and for younger people that turned out to be true. The vaccine does indeed floor many people under 50.

I’ve also followed discussion by Indian medical staff on Twitter and whilst the vaccine protects most from death there have been breakthrough deaths in youngish doctors. Also my husband manages 30 people in India. He’s lost one member of staff already and 4 out of 5 young women in one team (all under 30) are very ill albeit not hospitalised. This variant does worry me. Seems to share characteristics with the Brazilian variant which affects younger people more seriously.

@Oblomov21

I’m absolutely furious about this. I’m also not far from Bolton and sometimes work there. The Asian community there have been reluctant to get the vaccine which is why it’s spreading so easily, plus Bolton is deprived and there’s a lot of overcrowding in the areas affected. I just can’t understand why travel to India was allowed for so long. Truth is that people returning probably won’t have isolated on return either, many of the men in these communities in Bolton that I’ve worked with are taxi drivers so it will spread. If local lockdowns come in it will be awful as Bolton has had the highest of restrictions since July. The government have a lot to answer for yet again.

How is this the Governments fault?
The Bolton community who is responsible needs to grow held accountable, surely?

To be fair to Boltonians all it was going to take was 1 person with this variant for it to start spiralling out of control fairly rapidly. I’ve said this before on here but the Eid celebrations this weekend are going to be a disaster for many of the local communities in the nearby towns. Infection spread from household mixing and large gatherings will be a big problem.

Wonder what time Hancocks tweet banning the Eid celebrations will be this time.

@MercyBooth

Wonder what time Hancocks tweet banning the Eid celebrations will be this time.

And would anyone take any notice anyway? In the same way that some people ignored the rules last Christmas, and I suspect a great many more would if it happened again this coming year.

Soft lockdowns? Ours was one of the toughest and longest in Europe. You wil NOT get any more co operation if you keep on minimizing the sacrifices people have made. Agree with @Arrowheart Im fucking sick of paying for the Governments mistakes and then being told my sacrifices are not good enough. Y"all can shove it up your arse.

@MercyBooth

Soft lockdowns? Ours was one of the toughest and longest in Europe. You wil NOT get any more co operation if you keep on minimizing the sacrifices people have made. Agree with *@Arrowheart* Im fucking sick of paying for the Governments mistakes and then being told my sacrifices are not good enough. Y"all can shove it up your arse.

I've thought from the start they would have got greater buy in by having having softer rules which more of us would be likely to stick to over an extended period. Instead, they've gone all nanny state and treated us like children. A large undercurrent of rebellion around the rules was inevitable.

[quote MercyBooth]@PrincessNutNuts It is down to decades of mistreatment. Trying to erase lived experiences wont work.[/quote]
I get that.

My lived experience of the last year is that 150,000 people are dead who didn't need to be.

And lying doesn't build trust.

Thanks for the NN link. I don't watch that enough.

PrincessNutNuts

"It's not how highly transmissible diseases that have already been found in 48 separate locations across the whole country really work though, is it"

48 areas?
Ok.
I didn't know that.

Well then stop treating certain communities as thick You intimated it was because they believe conspiracy theories. Its down to mistreatment they have experienced in the past.

@MercyBooth

Well then stop treating certain communities as thick You intimated it was because they believe conspiracy theories. Its down to mistreatment they have experienced in the past.

Absolutely this. And I believe there is a lot of subtle racism going on around this issue which makes me deeply uncomfortable.

@MercyBooth

Soft lockdowns? Ours was one of the toughest and longest in Europe. You wil NOT get any more co operation if you keep on minimizing the sacrifices people have made. Agree with *@Arrowheart* Im fucking sick of paying for the Governments mistakes and then being told my sacrifices are not good enough. Y"all can shove it up your arse.

I’m with you. This is beyond a joke. Why the hell are variants able to be imported even all these months later? Because the government have ineffective border control and quarantine. They clearly aren’t bothered so why is it now down to the rest of us?

@Oblomov21

PrincessNutNuts

"It's not how highly transmissible diseases that have already been found in 48 separate locations across the whole country really work though, is it"

48 areas?
Ok.
I didn't know that.

Fair enough.

According to this it's more than 48

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-indian-variant-uk-where-b1846809.html%3famp

It is very easy to point a finger at certain communities. In my area the spread is in schools ergo below vaccination age. Vaccine compliance is good.

One of the schools has a particularly affluent catchment and is probably responsible for the spread into the neighbouring county.

@Piggywaspushed

It is very easy to point a finger at certain communities. In my area the spread is in schools ergo below vaccination age. Vaccine compliance is good.

One of the schools has a particularly affluent catchment and is probably responsible for the spread into the neighbouring county.

In most communities that I've looked at it seems similar.

With B117 it was Teens and 20s driving the spread and then their parents and their workmates got it followed by the older age groups.

I see no reason to rule out this working similarly.

@MercyBooth

Wonder what time Hancocks tweet banning the Eid celebrations will be this time.

But it’s Eid today so he’ll be too late

@MercyBooth why would he ? Last time he did for a good reason and numbers were higher , many ignored though , sane as xmas.
Don't try and turn it in to something it is not

@MercyBooth plus as previous poster has said it would be too late

Can I ask why is it that so many in the Asian (and, I understand from data, especially in the over 50s) black communities that refuse the vaccines?

@ligh years or mistrust that the government have the interests of ethnic minorities at heart. Worries about vaccine contents. Poverty in some areas so they can’t travel to big hubs 10 miles away, the Bolton vaccine bus has been solely focusing on the deprived areas with high ethnic minorities for weeks yet still there’s this situation. Also some communities work on different times, it’s not uncommon for some of the Asian population to drop the kids off at school and go back to bed until lunch then stay up really late. Plus it’s been Ramadan

@LeSquigh

*The reactions to the vaccine - all true.
The outbreak in my workplace - true.
The high level of PHE involvement - again, true.
The Indian VOC being identified - also true - the BBC have reported workplaces being involved in these outbreaks, mine is one of them, I’m not sure why that is so hard to believe.
People that have been double vaccinated that have been hospitalised - true."

Your workplace has been remarkedly unlucky. Let's hope that PHE can work out why your particular workplace has suffered all these different events.

Bolton, Greater Manchester and Blackburn are having it tough.
I am sorry that you have all suffered so much and hope that you don't have further issues to contend with.

Does anyone know if the rise in cases of the Indian variant is in areas of high vaccine uptake or low vaccine uptake?

Being positive though, IF the rise in cases with the Indian variant is shown in areas with a lower uptake of the vaccine then is proves the vaccine works.

If the rise is in areas with high uptake of vaccine then at least we will know if it protects against that or not. Although @LeSquigh workplace demonstrates double vaccinated are getting the Indian variant now.

@NoMLMbots
I'm not sure about all the areas but London has the lowest take up rates in the country. It's not just hesitancy. It was behind on the rollout after getting lower share at the start. Some boroughs were still doing 45+ last weekend.

[quote Tealightsandd]@NoMLMbots
I'm not sure about all the areas but London has the lowest take up rates in the country. It's not just hesitancy. It was behind on the rollout after getting lower share at the start. Some boroughs were still doing 45+ last weekend.[/quote]
Thanks