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How protected do you stay from 1 vaccine?

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Dandylioness1 · 09/05/2021 10:42

Both DH & I have been vaccinated. 1 dose of AZ.

We are in our 30’s.

I was vaccinated in group 6, but DH is a police officer and works next to a vaccination centre.
At the end of each day they had been contacting his offices to offer vaccines, DH jumped at the change, being public facing in his job.

We are both due our second vaccines in 3 & 4 weeks time and are really considering not having them.

We felt assured when most of what we’d read / seen on the news, was that the rare blood clots occurred after the first dose.
However we have since seen that they also occur after the second.

We have a very young son and the thought of something happening to one of us and leaving him is terrifying.

We equally don’t want to become ill with Covid but it seems that the data suggests our age group is very low risk, but higher risk from a fatal clot with the vaccine.

I feel completely cheated. When I had my first dose the clot news had just started to appear, but it wasn’t in the UK.

If I knew then what I know now, I definitely would not have had AZ.

If we don’t get our second doses, how protected do we stay from Covid?

OP posts:
confuseddotcom090 · 09/05/2021 20:56

@Branleuse

your risk of blood clots with astra zeneca vaccine are 0.0004% Your risk of blood clots with birth control pill is 0.05% to 0.12% your risk of blood clots from smoking is 0.18% your risk of blood clots from Covid itself is 16.5%
What??? That last stat sounds highly suspect. I know loads of people who have had COVID and the worst has been a week in bed. Nobody I know has had a blood clot. Many have been completely asymptomatic.

For a healthy 30 year old white woman (BMI of 21) the risk of a COVID leading to death is 0.0004% and hospitalisation is 0.0154% according to QCovid.org (you can do it yourself if you are a different age, BMI, ethnicity and post code)

Walkaround · 09/05/2021 21:12

@confuseddotcom090 - that’s probably the risk if you end up in hospital with covid. A far higher proportion of people than that who end up in ICU with covid get blood clots (at least 30%).

Walkaround · 09/05/2021 21:16

Hospitalisation and death risk from covid varies depending on levels of covid in the community at the current time. As covid rates go up, hospitalisation and death rates in all age groups go up.

Doireallyneedaname · 09/05/2021 21:26

I feel for you. I don’t think it’d matter which vaccine it was though. My partner and I both had Pfizer, we’ve had both doses now. Same day, same vaccine. We also have a toddler.

I am in no way anti vaxx but sometimes I do wish only one of us had gone ahead with the jab, just in case.

SunshiningBetty · 09/05/2021 21:47

@Branleuse

your risk of blood clots with astra zeneca vaccine are 0.0004% Your risk of blood clots with birth control pill is 0.05% to 0.12% your risk of blood clots from smoking is 0.18% your risk of blood clots from Covid itself is 16.5%
I wish people would stop rolling out statistics like these. The clots that occur with the AZ vaccine are completely different types of clots and much more serious than those associated with the pill and smoking Hmm
Walkaround · 09/05/2021 22:06

All blood clots are serious and all blood clots can kill, however. No blood clot should ever have the magnitude of its risks minimised, and that includes blood clots as the result of taking the contraceptive pill, which can also permanently disable or kill you if you are unlucky.

worriedatthemoment · 09/05/2021 22:46

Im in this dilemma as well , 2nd dose in 4 weeks but in my 40's
Trying to find out of others have caused blood clots and of more details on the clots reported with second

Branleuse · 09/05/2021 22:53

Its getting the risk into perspective, more than minimising it.
If someone is honestly thinking theyd rather risk getting covid than the AZ jab, then thats crazy

landofgiants · 09/05/2021 23:23

Risk of blood clots with Covid infection are MUCH higher than the risk associated with vaccination. Not sure of the stats, but being a police officer surely put DH at increased risk of catching Covid?

Torvean · 10/05/2021 01:28

I haven't seen the AZ data but I have fir a trial I'm on. The 2nd dose really does make a big difference. I can't put it up here.

I think ppl are being fear mongered a bit about AZ. firstly the main cases are in women so I don't think your husband should be too worried. They have worked out the most affected areas and are offering substitutes. So they think your risk ftom Covid is greater than the vaccine. The MHRA and W.H.O still support the use of AZ.

Please get info from reliable sites. I would not read here as the refusal to add onto other AZ threads make it look even worse.

Torvean · 10/05/2021 01:29

@Walkaround

Hospitalisation and death risk from covid varies depending on levels of covid in the community at the current time. As covid rates go up, hospitalisation and death rates in all age groups go up.
I agree.

But tell that to those who think anyone under 50s will not die of Covid.

Mindymomo · 10/05/2021 09:00

If I were in your situation, I would definitely have the second, being group 6, your husband’s job and the fact you have a young child to look after.

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 12/05/2021 11:50

@Dandylioness1 I made a thread about this and literally got bullied. I feel the same way, dose due this week, not sure if I will go, well actually pretty sure I won’t. Someone told me on the other thread Ireland is waiting 16weeks from the first dose AZ to see more data coming from the second dose.
I know 6 is a small number but as you say it may increase as time goes on, it may not.
I also massively regret rushing into the vaccine, wish I had the wait and watch approach, wish I had the Pfizer.
For now I’m going to wait until 16 weeks, not huge on mixing vaccines but I hear the gov has ordered 60 million boosters which means we will eventually have to to mix them anyway so why not just get the booster? I don’t fancy getting jabbed 3 times.
I actually feel more relaxed not getting it and knowing I probably have some sort of T cell response should COVID come by way. I’m also 34 and female so chances from being ill from covid is low. As the GP said ‘you probably wouldn’t end up in hospital but it’s good to protect others and avoid long Covid’. I think protecting others seeing as how selfish people are when you voice a little bit of hesitation is now out the window for me. My kids and health first now. Too many selfish attitudes came out this year.
@whataballbag do you know the long term immunity from one dose?

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 12/05/2021 11:50

Also thank you for this thread. I hope to talk to people in a similar situation and see what they do.

whataballbag · 12/05/2021 11:58

[quote NicoleKidmanSuperFan]@Dandylioness1 I made a thread about this and literally got bullied. I feel the same way, dose due this week, not sure if I will go, well actually pretty sure I won’t. Someone told me on the other thread Ireland is waiting 16weeks from the first dose AZ to see more data coming from the second dose.
I know 6 is a small number but as you say it may increase as time goes on, it may not.
I also massively regret rushing into the vaccine, wish I had the wait and watch approach, wish I had the Pfizer.
For now I’m going to wait until 16 weeks, not huge on mixing vaccines but I hear the gov has ordered 60 million boosters which means we will eventually have to to mix them anyway so why not just get the booster? I don’t fancy getting jabbed 3 times.
I actually feel more relaxed not getting it and knowing I probably have some sort of T cell response should COVID come by way. I’m also 34 and female so chances from being ill from covid is low. As the GP said ‘you probably wouldn’t end up in hospital but it’s good to protect others and avoid long Covid’. I think protecting others seeing as how selfish people are when you voice a little bit of hesitation is now out the window for me. My kids and health first now. Too many selfish attitudes came out this year.
@whataballbag do you know the long term immunity from one dose?[/quote]
I don't sorry, only what I've read about the gap in Ireland and I'm pretty sure Spain have introduced the same

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 12/05/2021 13:26

@whataballbag thank you for your reply.

whataballbag · 12/05/2021 13:42

@NicoleKidmanSuperFan I did just read that the initial results from the comcov trial are expected within the next week or so though which is good news!

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 12/05/2021 14:00

@whataballbag I think for me sadly these trials may not be positive as I need to be taking a different vaccine by next week according to my schedule. It looks like I may have to start all over again! Ahhhh you know after all this time during covid I was finally starting to feel a bit normal and was so chuffed to have the vaccine all for it to blow up in my face. I mean yes dramatic as that sounds I really do feel sad about it. The 16 week gap hasn't been trialed apparently so don't know if it's a good thing or not! Thanks so much for all the information and please do keep us up to date. I still want to know about mixed trials. As far as I'm aware though, it's in over 50's. Either way yes good news!

Iwantcauliflowercheese · 12/05/2021 14:10

I didn't hesitate to have my second AZ vaccine.

WhipperSnapperSteve · 12/05/2021 14:26

My first dose was AZ and I'm due my second next week but I've been offered a place on a clinical trial with a different section vaccine and seriously considering it.

Your risk is low, from both the vaccine and Covid, but low risk is not no risk.

WhipperSnapperSteve · 12/05/2021 14:26

My first dose was AZ and I'm due my second next week but I've been offered a place on a clinical trial with a different section vaccine and seriously considering it.

Your risk is low, from both the vaccine and Covid, but low risk is not no risk.

WhipperSnapperSteve · 12/05/2021 14:28

(I'm 43 btw regarding mixed trial).

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 12/05/2021 14:34

@WhipperSnapperSteve that's interesting, I suppose you have to weigh up what you'd like to do. For me the second dose AZ just seems like a mental block now and I probably would go for the trial. Saying that, if offered I'm not so sure. Do let us know what you decide. Best of luck

whataballbag · 12/05/2021 17:50

[quote NicoleKidmanSuperFan]@whataballbag I think for me sadly these trials may not be positive as I need to be taking a different vaccine by next week according to my schedule. It looks like I may have to start all over again! Ahhhh you know after all this time during covid I was finally starting to feel a bit normal and was so chuffed to have the vaccine all for it to blow up in my face. I mean yes dramatic as that sounds I really do feel sad about it. The 16 week gap hasn't been trialed apparently so don't know if it's a good thing or not! Thanks so much for all the information and please do keep us up to date. I still want to know about mixed trials. As far as I'm aware though, it's in over 50's. Either way yes good news! [/quote]
I'm sure my second next week too but it's worth noting some countries are extending the gap to 16 weeks (Spain & Ireland)

NicoleKidmanSuperFan · 13/05/2021 12:13

@whataballbag let me know what you do. Am still confused. Living like this isn't the answer either I suppose but for now I'm hoping COVID just gets better and one vaccine is enough

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