Alternatives to AstraZeneca vaccine for under 40s “could be considered” amid rise in blood clots 2

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Just starting another thread as so much information still coming out. Interesting that Germany have just allowed AZ for all that want it.

Note, this is not an Anti-Vaccs thread. It is just a discussion about alternatives.

@LetSophieGo

My OH who is male and happily had Pfizer with no side effects says that if he was a woman of my age he would be concerned about having AZ due to the number of incidents connected to it.

My sister has had AZ and is worrying I am going to die of covid soon!

I honestly wish I could simply pay for Pfizer and get it done with tomorrow. I am tired of those who have had AZ pressuring me one way or another.

My husband was adamant he didn’t want me to have AZ after he had and it was badly ill for days! We actually had a row when I said I was willing to have it if it was AZ or nothing. 😂 But I have a family history of cerebral brain clots and some other issues.

I wish there was a private route too, anything for choice, like there is in some other countries. I believe Alaska is offering mRNA vaccines for visitors from June 1, but the U.K. is still on the US banned list.

@nordica

If anyone is in London and can get to Islington Business Design Centre, they are doing Moderna (only) until further notice. Confirmed by the professor who runs the centre on Twitter.

I'm going there for mine tomorrow. Will report back but from what I've read on Twitter it's Moderna for everyone regardless of age.

Great to know, thanks. I am in London and can easily get to Islington in about an hour or less. Either there or Guys will be my port of call if it doesn't work out at the place I am booked in for!

I was lucky to be GP referred to get Pfizer but did try first at an alternative venue (that was then changed their vaccine to AZ so I cancelled my appointment in advance). However, my GP said you don’t have to put your own postcode into the NHS site, just put a postcode of the area you are willing to travel to then you can book your preferred vaccine centre.

@Bellini12

I was lucky to be GP referred to get Pfizer but did try first at an alternative venue (that was then changed their vaccine to AZ so I cancelled my appointment in advance). However, my GP said you don’t have to put your own postcode into the NHS site, just put a postcode of the area you are willing to travel to then you can book your preferred vaccine centre.

I thought the nhs site made you type in the postcode which you have registered at your GP? So if I typed in a different postcode I would have thought the system would say the details added were wrong? Might be worth a try tho!

You put your postcode in initially to get to the booking stage then it asks you again for another postcode, this one I presume you could change for different areas?

@HairyFloppins

You put your postcode in initially to get to the booking stage then it asks you again for another postcode, this one I presume you could change for different areas?

Oh does it? I can't remember and I've been through the booking process twice 🙈😂ok good to know. Thank you!

The site just asked me for a postcode once and then showed a long list of places from nearest to further away. I could have booked anywhere I think, didn't spend much time looking as I knew where I wanted to go and was worried it would get booked up.

This was the national booking site. I think if you initially had an invite through your GP then the link is different. A local friend got invited ages ago and she only had a couple of places to choose from back then.

I'm eyeing up Stoneleigh Park Agricultural Centre and wondering what they have.

Just found this thread and do relieved I’m not the only 45 year old woman not wanting the AZ jab - my dad, a retired doctor, told me not to get the Az jab weeks and weeks ago - first time he has ever told me what to do so quite out of character for him - and to try and get Pfizer or moderna.

Booked in at my gp surgery on Saturday after seeing a notice that they were doing Pfizer Jabs on specific dates - hopefully I won’t need to walk out!!!

For anybody interested in the vaccine mixing trial it seems The Sun leaked some the preliminary findings yesterday and then the story got pulled. Copy of it can be found here:

www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/health-news/mixing-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-jabs-is-safe-but-might-trigger-more-side-effects-first-study-finds/

Seems combining vaccines led to a significant increase in side effects.

the 770 or so deaths on the previous page on the previous page really bothers me, especially the amount of people who have had cardiac related issues as they run in my family.

Did you read my follow up comment about that post @LetSophieGo?. See below re the document which referenced the number of deaths:

Am hoping someone can confirm that I’m reading the above document correctly - so does the term “reaction” mean “anything that happened after the AZ vaccine was administered”? Just that otherwise I’m struggling to work out how “smoking cessation therapy” or “appendicectomy” is a reaction to the vaccine, or how it has caused death by metastatic brain cancer?

In other words, it included everything that was reported as happening after a person had had the vaccine, but that was not necessarily due to the vaccine - otherwise the document makes no sense. I was hoping that someone might either confirm or deny whether my understanding was correct, but no-one (including the original poster) has obliged.

@nordica

The site just asked me for a postcode once and then showed a long list of places from nearest to further away. I could have booked anywhere I think, didn't spend much time looking as I knew where I wanted to go and was worried it would get booked up.

This was the national booking site. I think if you initially had an invite through your GP then the link is different. A local friend got invited ages ago and she only had a couple of places to choose from back then.

thank you, this is helpful :)

To those of you resisting the AZ, watch the bbc hospital programme shown last night. It features a 50 year old who received the test to book his jab whilst in icu, he didn't make it. Mild asthma but not sufficient to make group 6.

Waiting 2-3 weeks could be the difference between life and death, you have been offered a vaccine.

We have had AZ here including 2x 20 year old DD's who are on meds pushing them into group 6 (other two got Pfizer, one due to medical reasons, the other got leftover vaccine). Side effects from AZ made me feel crap for 2 days

That's a good (but very sad) point @minniemomo

There's also Long Covid to consider.

Thank you for that link, @IndigoC!

@MrsFezziwig that is my understanding too: every death that occurred after vaccination is listed there. By no means does it suggest that every death was caused by vaccination.

@minniemomo

To those of you resisting the AZ, watch the bbc hospital programme shown last night. It features a 50 year old who received the test to book his jab whilst in icu, he didn't make it. Mild asthma but not sufficient to make group 6.

Waiting 2-3 weeks could be the difference between life and death, you have been offered a vaccine.

We have had AZ here including 2x 20 year old DD's who are on meds pushing them into group 6 (other two got Pfizer, one due to medical reasons, the other got leftover vaccine). Side effects from AZ made me feel crap for 2 days

You’re absolutely right. Against that my DH mentioned to me last night that the best friend of a colleague of his (a lady in her late 40s) had died of a blood clot following AZ.

Unvaccinated 40-somethings are in an unenviable position right now. A lot depends on your individual level of exposure, what your local case levels are, and how long it will take to access non-AZ jabs going forward. When I was weighing it up I hated the thought of getting C19 and ending up in hospital because I’d held off getting AZ. It’s just really tricky.

my DH mentioned to me last night that the best friend of a colleague of his (a lady in her late 40s) had died of a blood clot following AZ.

The poor woman. Very sad.

It's likely the blood clot was caused by actual Covid - caught before, during, or a couple of weeks after vaccination. Covid causes severe unusual clotting in patients.

In fact, that needs to be taken into account when looking at all side effects reported

Lancet paper on mixing vaccines (initial findings on safety) is out:

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01115-6/fulltext

@Tealightsandd

If that was the case, you'd expect it to be just as prevalent in people who had Pfizer and Moderna, and in the unvaccinated population. It's not though. The specific type of clot that is resulting in a high fatality rate is associated with AZ.

@Tealightsandd

my DH mentioned to me last night that the best friend of a colleague of his (a lady in her late 40s) had died of a blood clot following AZ.

The poor woman. Very sad.

It's likely the blood clot was caused by actual Covid - caught before, during, or a couple of weeks after vaccination. Covid causes severe unusual clotting in patients.

In fact, that needs to be taken into account when looking at all side effects reported

Tealightsandd the particular kind of blood clots caused by the AZ vaccine aren't in fact a feature of Covid: the current government advice to medical professionals explicitly says (in relation to the AZ clots):

"this particular combination of thrombotic events and thrombocytopenia is extremely rare and not known to be a common feature of COVID-19 infection."

source:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/984404/PHE_COVID-19_AZ_vaccine_and_blood_clots_factsheet_7May2021.pdf

@minniemomo

To those of you resisting the AZ, watch the bbc hospital programme shown last night. It features a 50 year old who received the test to book his jab whilst in icu, he didn't make it. Mild asthma but not sufficient to make group 6.

Waiting 2-3 weeks could be the difference between life and death, you have been offered a vaccine.

We have had AZ here including 2x 20 year old DD's who are on meds pushing them into group 6 (other two got Pfizer, one due to medical reasons, the other got leftover vaccine). Side effects from AZ made me feel crap for 2 days

I am not 'resisting'. I have valid concerns and would have any other vaccine in a heartbeat.

Please don't emotionally pressure me with unhappy stories.
People like myself are not exactly doing this to be reactionary or awkward.

And this is why many of us wont discuss online.
If we are to get as many people vaccinated as possible, and stop the spread of covid, then some people with concert SHOULD be Abel to request Pfizer.

Perhaps focusing on that is more reasonable, eh?

But hey, you're ok, it didnt harm you, so fuck the rest of us.

Tealightsandd the particular kind of blood clots caused by the AZ vaccine aren't in fact a feature of Covid: the current government advice to medical professionals explicitly says (in relation to the AZ clots):

That may be, but the risk of developing serious clot issues from Covid - including abnormal clotting - remains high. I believe long Covid had been associate with clotting issues too.

@Iceniii

I'm eyeing up Stoneleigh Park Agricultural Centre and wondering what they have.

AZ! My dh had his there and I wasn't offered it when I booked last night (I'm 38).

I'm going to the Artrix in Bromsgrove, but it looks like the Ramada on the Kenilworth Road has Pfizer/Moderna as I'm going there for second jab - they just didn't have many appointments, which is why I'm going elsewhere for first.