Page 4 | So are schools safe like the PM always says? Or did those 100 cases catch covid at school?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 21:16

@Jenthefredo it is not THAT deprived. I've lived here for years. It's definitely a bit neglected but it really isn't one of the most deprived areas in Derbyshire and there are many nice estates in the area.

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:17

Yes it is according to IMD stats
And I lived there too for 12 years

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:19

IMD=Indices of multiple deprivation

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 21:20

@Jenthefredo

Yes it is according to IMD stats And I lived there too for 12 years

It really isn't. It's a big town with bad areas and good areas, like a lot of places.

DanglingMod · 06/05/2021 21:24

@noblegiraffe

Was there an outbreak as large as this in the autumn term when cases were so much higher?

Of course. But they weren't testing kids unless symptomatic, which most aren't, so they wouldn't have found them.

And even without mass testing, there were plenty of schools with known outbreaks nearly as large.

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:25

Just because you don't think it doesn't make it so!

The IMD statistics are socio economic FACTS

Long eaton has a growing homelessness issue and has had a very busy foodbank for nearly a decade.

A local vicar ran a weekly free meal and was getting over 100 per week attending pre covid

I'm sure where you live is lovely...but you live in a deprived area. Whether you like it or not.

worriedatthemoment · 06/05/2021 21:26

Yes of course we send our kids in as many of us have to also work and feed them ,pay the bills , little things like that
Supermarket workers ,nhs , carers , bin men all have to go to work and mix with people as well
My dh does a job where he has to go into approx 8 peoples houses a day , he wears a mask but they often don't , its an essential service though so has to be done. He isn't 100 % safe either , he has only just had the jab as its reached his age group
Teachers are not the only ones and hopefully those most likely to be more affected have had at least one jab
And again you avoid any question asked if you and just repeat the same thing

year5teacher · 06/05/2021 21:26

So, in other words, you don’t know what you’d do to make schools safer. Because you’re continuously deflecting and giving vague answers. I work in a school - I think I’ve got more of a grasp of what can reasonably be applied than you, to be honest, so don’t pull the “maybe have a little google” shit.

What is it? Smaller classes? Masks for pupils? Because you don’t seem to actually know what you think should happen.

worriedatthemoment · 06/05/2021 21:27

@Jenthefredo what has it being a deprived area got to with anything anyway , many places are considered deprived
I know people in my deprived area who use foodbanks but don't actually really need to

Quartz2208 · 06/05/2021 21:28

I would have put good money on this been one of a handful of posters (some of whom I suspect are the same poster name changing) and of course it is one of them.

This is to be expected - the fact that it is in is now May before it is has happened is a positive. But it was going to happen. And I suspect may continue to happen as long as we have LFT. Indeed even for the next 2-3 winters we could monitor clusters and shut down accordingly.

So

Did those 100 covid cases at Wilsthorpe School in Derbyshire catch it at school?

Hard to say whether it is AT school or AROUND school. and that is always the problem of schools. You could make all the changes in the world to the school, all of the wonderful things you think would help but they still leave school and walk together. Because that is human behaviour and they are teenagers and nothing in the world is going to change that.

(In which case schools aren't "safe" are they? They're clearly not even "covid secure" are they?)

see above even if you make them so (and I think Chris Whitty has always been good about this - you cant control the outside of it. The football, the walking to school etc

Or is there a hidden reservoir of presumably asymptomatic covid in that local area?

I guess you need to implement PCR testing to find out. And I assume have more in areas nearby

And does this have implications for the roadmap and the back to your workplace push?

No I dont think it does. Do you? And what you do want to happen? You dont seem to trust vaccines, you seem sure that another wave is going to appear and be even worst than the last even though most scientists are actually going against this.

noblegiraffe · 06/05/2021 21:30

And even without mass testing, there were plenty of schools with known outbreaks nearly as large.

Yes, I don't think they reported how many cases there were in schools in Kent and London when they suddenly panicked before Christmas, but given the attendance figures were below 20% in some areas, I'm guessing figures were very high.

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CarrieAntoinette · 06/05/2021 21:30

@year5teacher

So, in other words, you don’t know what you’d do to make schools safer. Because you’re continuously deflecting and giving vague answers. I work in a school - I think I’ve got more of a grasp of what can reasonably be applied than you, to be honest, so don’t pull the “maybe have a little google” shit.

What is it? Smaller classes? Masks for pupils? Because you don’t seem to actually know what you think should happen.

Then you don't need me to explain to you what the issues are.

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Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:30

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Jenthefredo what has it being a deprived area got to with anything anyway , many places are considered deprived
I know people in my deprived area who use foodbanks but don't actually really need to [/quote]
Ha!
Foodbank bingo!
That didnt take long!

If you can be bothered to look at the stats then you will see a clear correlation between the level of deprivation and covid infection rates and deaths

For example, in the North West and North East.

The info is all there for those who care to look

Schmetterling1 · 06/05/2021 21:31

If they all get a kind of mild viral illness or no symptoms at all, does it really matter? How is it different to other viruses that have swept through schools forever? Kids going down with vomiting bugs in scores etc?

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CarrieAntoinette · 06/05/2021 21:32

@siestalady

OP I really think you should go and have a glass of wine and relax. Or seal yourself away for the rest of your life. Whichever you prefer!

I have one. Thank you.

You think the covid pandemic is going to last for the rest of our lives?

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Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:32

....and of course LF testing is not mandatory.

I wonder if this school is like another I know of in Derbyshire whose take up of L F testing is

noblegiraffe · 06/05/2021 21:33

Hard to say whether it is AT school or AROUND school. and that is always the problem of schools.

That was always the bullshit response. People really pretending to be confused about whether the kid caught it from being in very close contact with large groups indoors in poorly ventilated classrooms (usually what is designated as a 'high risk activity' except when it's in a school) or walking home from school in the fresh air (usually 'very low risk' except when it's a school kid walking with a mate when all of a sudden it's a real concern).

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CarrieAntoinette · 06/05/2021 21:34

@Schmetterling1

If they all get a kind of mild viral illness or no symptoms at all, does it really matter? How is it different to other viruses that have swept through schools forever? Kids going down with vomiting bugs in scores etc?

Generally we haven't closed the country down for a year and 150,000 people haven't died of those mild viral illnesses you refer to.

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 21:34

@Jenthefredo

Just because you don't think it doesn't make it so!

The IMD statistics are socio economic FACTS

Long eaton has a growing homelessness issue and has had a very busy foodbank for nearly a decade.

A local vicar ran a weekly free meal and was getting over 100 per week attending pre covid

I'm sure where you live is lovely...but you live in a deprived area. Whether you like it or not.

The entire country has a growing homelessness issue. That's not unique to this town.

I don't live in one of the lovely bits, I live in one of the worse bits but there are some lovely areas with massive houses. The way you worded your post it's as if everyone living here is on a low income and that's not the case at all. Some people are, a lot aren't.

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:34

Again...

Pandemics usually follow a pattern

If you look at the 1918 influenza epidemic you'll see clearly the waves of infection

Within 2 years it was gone/less virulent

So by Q3 next year hopefully covid will be the same

ceeveebee · 06/05/2021 21:36

And does this have implications for the roadmap
Rising cases alone are not one of the criteria that the government are using to assess whether to move onto the next phase. It’s only if those cases risk a surge in hospitalisations and put pressure on the NHS, which seems unlikely given the age of those affected and the progress made on vaccinations

Jenthefredo · 06/05/2021 21:37

There are some VERY nice houses and areas in Long Eaton. Definitely.

But that does not alter the socio economic facts.

And the main shopping street is now mostly charity shops, vape shops and CEX type shops.

I was quite sad the last time I was there. Its very very run down (which of course is an index of multiple deprivation...)

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 21:38

The high street is dire, I agree with that!

worriedatthemoment · 06/05/2021 21:39

Op you post are contradictory, how many glasses of wine have you had
One minute we are not doing enough , the next it won't last

You mention death rate and last year without taking in to account that we know have a vaccination that we didn't then
Read the reports coming out if Israel

worriedatthemoment · 06/05/2021 21:40

@Jenthefredo well facts are facts as you say and I do know these people
The way people like you put it , its as if its to be expected so its doesn't matter