EU suing AZ

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Do you think it’s a good idea to sue a non profit vaccine producer in the middle of a pandemic? Especially when it’s in the contract the EU can’t sue for late delivery

www.politico.eu/article/belgium-was-warned-eus-astrazeneca-contract-lacked-teeth-documents/

Iirc scientists have said that a longer gap between doses increases efficacy.
Judging by our current infection rates, it certainly doesn't appear to be doing us any harm.

Of course the UK is doing well on its vaccination programme.

This thread is discussing the delay in AZ deliveries to EU countries. Nothing to do with the UK rollout.

These threads have consistently praised the U.K. vaccine roll out whilst criticising the "Eu vaccine roll out" which doesn't exist.

I’ve found the programme here excellent as have friends. Obviously I don’t know all cases but the sheer organisation to get the numbers done each day is incredible.

I only have positive things to say about all the hard work behind the scenes, and those in front of people.

So why not just make the appointments for AZ after the delivery, when they know exactly what they have?

@EileenGC

Of course the UK is doing well on its vaccination programme.

This thread is discussing the delay in AZ deliveries to EU countries. Nothing to do with the UK rollout.

Except the post about the U.K. rollout?

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

Iirc scientists have said that a longer gap between doses increases efficacy. Judging by our current infection rates, it certainly doesn't appear to be doing us any harm.

Scientists are also still recommending the initial 4-6 week spacing. Judging by my local infection and death rates, that’s not doing any harm either. Let’s be clear here, the vaccine is effective, administered 3, 8 or 12 weeks apart. Like I’ve said countless times this year, it’s not a competition. We’re getting out of this mess, let’s try and make it out even faster.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

So why not just make the appointments for AZ after the delivery, when they know exactly what they have?

That’s what they’re doing. The stockpiled doses are second doses, appointments were made after the first dose as is standard practice. What they aren’t offering is first appointments anymore.

The post about UK rollout wasn’t by me, I don’t know who wrote that.

@EileenGC

The post about UK rollout wasn’t by me, I don’t know who wrote that.

What are you talking about? This is about the U.K.:

I know several people in the UK who have had vaccine appointments cancelled or changed due to stock issues. People who have had operations and other treatments cancelled after being told they would go ahead. It’s a whole different way of doing things. If they’ve told you it’s happening, they can’t go back on their word. People will not accept that.

@SunnyLovesCassie

These threads have consistently praised the U.K. vaccine roll out whilst criticising the "Eu vaccine roll out" which doesn't exist.

Exactly. If the pandemic had happened 5 years ago, we wouldn’t be saying EU vaccine rollout. We’d make sure the world knew which country was leading - the UK - and that every other country was named individually. Denmark refusing AZ doesn’t mean the other 26 countries have done the same.

'EU vaccine rollout' does exist in the sense that the EU was responsible for the bulk ordering - without those supplies no rollout could happen. It's splitting hairs to say that the EU as an entity doesn't have a vaccine rollout.

@MarshaBradyo where am I talking about UK vaccine rollout? I’ve simply said I know people with cancelled appointments - in an attempt to make a comparison in what is standard practice where I live compared to UK. It was about how the system works, not about the vaccine. You either can’t comprehend what you read, or don’t want to. Please put that in context.

[quote EileenGC]@MarshaBradyo where am I talking about UK vaccine rollout? I’ve simply said I know people with cancelled appointments - in an attempt to make a comparison in what is standard practice where I live compared to UK. It was about how the system works, not about the vaccine. You either can’t comprehend what you read, or don’t want to. Please put that in context.[/quote]
Cancelled vaccine appointments is part of the rollout

And I’m saying that it’s very efficient here. You may know a bit but it’s clear on the ground efficiency is good.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

'EU vaccine rollout' does exist in the sense that the EU was responsible for the bulk ordering - without those supplies no rollout could happen. It's splitting hairs to say that the EU as an entity doesn't have a vaccine rollout.

If the EU had a vaccine rollout, there would be guidelines coming from the EU, you wouldn’t get different countries doing different things, and we’d be in a different place. How the EU functions (and that includes trade, or vaccine import) is a different topic. More suited to the brexit board. The EU is now getting together to sue AZ, but the vaccine hasn’t been coordinated from above.

Also try not to be so rude. It’s tiresome

Yes, efficiency is good and I’m personally thrilled about it, my family and friends most at risk are now protected. That still has nothing to do with how the health systems operate in other countries, or what commitments it makes to its citizens when it comes to a vaccine rollout.

@EileenGC

Yes, efficiency is good and I’m personally thrilled about it, my family and friends most at risk are now protected. That still has nothing to do with how the health systems operate in other countries, or what commitments it makes to its citizens when it comes to a vaccine rollout.

So why mention U.K. then if it’s irrelevant?

If you mention it people can respond to the point.

Rude? Where have I been rude?

What’s tiresome is the same 3-4 posters coming on every thread with the word vaccine in it, and saying ‘the UK vaccine rollout is great and the EU’s is a mess’, even when the thread is not about that. As is the case here. We’re not discussing rollout efficiency. We’re discussing AZ’s contract and what’s happening with stockpiled doses.

It sounds as though what you are saying @EileenGC is that the delays to vaccine deliveries to EU countries have particularly bothered people because, culturally, there is less acceptance/tolerance of delay or change in the health service in certain countries. Whereas, in the U.K., there is more willingness to accept delays/cancellations because they are more commonplace generally when interacting with the NHS etc.

I can accept that may well be the case but if we are saying that those supply issues/delays are causing similar issues in both the U.K. and EU countries and it's just the tolerance for those issues that is different then I'm not really sure where that gets us?

AZ may have over promised and under delivered (i don't think we can be sure of that as yet) but legal action will make absolutely no material difference to the practical outcome of that at all as far as I can see.

Sorry if I have misunderstood what you were saying!

@EileenGC

Rude? Where have I been rude?

What’s tiresome is the same 3-4 posters coming on every thread with the word vaccine in it, and saying ‘the UK vaccine rollout is great and the EU’s is a mess’, even when the thread is not about that. As is the case here. We’re not discussing rollout efficiency. We’re discussing AZ’s contract and what’s happening with stockpiled doses.

Ha and every thread we hear about your superior efficiency don’t worry.

You brought up U.K. cancellations not me.

Have you never made a comparison and used two different elements for it? That’s what comparisons are. I won’t use the UK again as it just seems to derail the thread, I’ll say Israel or Bahrain next time. Or anything that doesn’t attract posters who haven’t even read what this thread is about

@EileenGC We’re discussing AZ’s contract and what’s happening with stockpiled doses.

Actually, no. We're attempting to discuss the EU suing AZ. Do you have anything to contribute on that topic?

@EileenGC

Have you never made a comparison and used two different elements for it? That’s what comparisons are. I won’t use the UK again as it just seems to derail the thread, I’ll say Israel or Bahrain next time. Or anything that doesn’t attract posters who haven’t even read what this thread is about

Rude again

Yes I have and responded below on topic.

Yes go for it choose Bahrain.