Alternatives to AstraZeneca vaccine for under 40s “could be considered” amid rise in blood clots

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www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/astrazeneca-vaccine-side-effects-blood-clots-under-40-b931498.html

This is concerning, especially as there is limited research into combining vaccinations. I feel that the trust in vaccination is being eroded. I have always been pro vacc but feeling much less so atm.
I'm not sure I will get my second jab now.

[quote Jujean]@SpringerJS it really depends on the vaccination centre - my partner and I are both 43 and we booked at different hubs - he got AZ and I got Moderna.[/quote]
Yes again I'm aware of that. Was only referring anecdotally to my local centre! Has been doing AZ for second doses and Moderna for first for over two weeks now. Friends elsewhere of same age (40+) have had AZ for first dose.

They need to be using as much AZ in London and the Midlands as possible at the moment. So don't think they are going to be getting rid of AZ anytime soon. The risk from the India variant spreading is far higher than clots at the moment. You don't get rid of the one vaccine you already have proof can stop it.

Forgot to add in case people didn't know a small number of India variant cases have been found in London and the Midlands. Possibly trying to spread fast. It is to early to say yet.

@SpringerJS

Am aware of that, thanks. Was (quite clearly) referring to them using it in my local area for the 40-45s when that is not a national policy.

It is absolutely national policy that age 40+ and 16+ clinically vulnerable are the priority for vaccination. See the JCVI list. There are limited supplies and every vaccine counts.

@TruelyWonder

Forgot to add in case people didn't know a small number of India variant cases have been found in London and the Midlands. Possibly trying to spread fast. It is to early to say yet.

Then they shouldn't lift most of the restrictions in just under two weeks time.

Instead the expectation seems to be the 30s age group should accept some of us will die due to the vaccine but it's ok because it's all for the greater good.

Somone at a NW vaccine centre pretty much implied the under 40s would be given a choice, to my friend who refused the AZ.

It's all hearsay I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if once the under 40s get called they are given a choice.

@LittleRen

Somone at a NW vaccine centre pretty much implied the under 40s would be given a choice, to my friend who refused the AZ.

It's all hearsay I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if once the under 40s get called they are given a choice.

I'm not sure that there's enough Pfizer or Moderna vaccines to do that at the moment. My DC is eligible and under 30 but so far has been told have no stock of either locally but they will be reserving it for those under 30 when they have stock. I know someone else in a different area in the same position.

Instead the expectation seems to be the 30s age group should accept some of us will die due to the vaccine but it's ok because it's all for the greater good.

You are more likely to die of Covid than the vaccine if you are over 30.

Looking at whats been reported OUTSIDE UK reg AZ vaccine side effects, in S Korea its is not blood clot but rather anaphylaxis for 20s 30s and 40s - and yes it doesn't kill them but practically disabled for foreseeable future, on daily steroid injection to stop its own immune system killing its own body.

This is not intended to encourage anti vax, but people deserve to know what can happen to them. I don't see any of these news in Western media (I can see why).

I personally don't believe that.

Sorry that should have been in response to @Belladonna12 that you're more likely to die of Covid. If you're healthy and current rates are low, I don't believe it.

nordica that’s just it. We are sacrificing a few to try to save many.

That’s completely clear to me. Is it right? I dont know. The ones we are sacrificing are going to be younger and healthier possibly.

Two major concerns of mine. Firstly people deserve to know the truth and that isn’t being given. I certainly don’t think the risk of covid to healthy 30 somethings in the UK is currently greater than the vaccine although I appreciate individual factors come into play.

Secondly if there is an issue with the vaccine and the public feel misled or worse then it will massively dent confidence in the vaccines generally, which could take years to recover from. The U.K. is generally a trusting and vaccine compliant country - are we now taking that for granted?

@AppleJane

Sorry that should have been in response to *@Belladonna12* that you're more likely to die of Covid. If you're healthy and current rates are low, I don't believe it.

The data suggests otherwise. I think the risk of blood clots is about one in 100,000. The risk of severe Covid for people in their 30s is higher than that even with the current low rates. If rates rise, which they will do once things start to open up more, the risk will be higher especially as there will probably be more variants.

You are more likely to die of Covid than the vaccine if you are over 30.

I'm no statistical expert but I'm sick of how patronising stuff like this is. You don't just wake up on your 30th birthday and become more at risk of Covid. A healthy person in their early 30s is closer in age to someone in their late 20s than to someone who is nearly 40. A decade is a large range, no wonder people are getting frustrated.

@AppleJane

Sorry that should have been in response to *@Belladonna12* that you're more likely to die of Covid. If you're healthy and current rates are low, I don't believe it.

I agree. Of course the risks for individuals will vary but for me personally, Covid was a very mild illness. Whilst I appreciate the risk of blood clots is low, the cost/benefit equation doesn’t seem to stack up from where I’m standing. There must be many others in the same position.

My god. Just have a vaccine or don't. It’s exhausting. I’m 31, there’s more risk the pill
I’m on will give me a clot. Am I going to stop taking it? No. Will I refuse AZ, no. Could I be unlucky, yes. Probably won’t be though. But you have a choice not to have it so stop whinging. There are side effects with Pfizer as well, if you have allergies, you can’t have it!

@Ussernayme

You are more likely to die of Covid than the vaccine if you are over 30.

I'm no statistical expert but I'm sick of how patronising stuff like this is. You don't just wake up on your 30th birthday and become more at risk of Covid. A healthy person in their early 30s is closer in age to someone in their late 20s than to someone who is nearly 40. A decade is a large range, no wonder people are getting frustrated.

So what if someone in their early 30s is closer in age to someone in their late 20s than their late 30s ? They will still be at higher risk from Covid than a person in the late 20s . Regardless, as the number of cases will probably rise soon the risk of severe Covid will be higher than the risk from vaccination whatever your age.

And again it is ignoring the fact that there are a number of vaccines that could be used. Not just one. My opinion is that if this summer is low like last year then we have time to sort this mess out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's the plan right now behind the scenes.

@Anaphylaxis

Looking at whats been reported OUTSIDE UK reg AZ vaccine side effects, in S Korea its is not blood clot but rather anaphylaxis for 20s 30s and 40s - and yes it doesn't kill them but practically disabled for foreseeable future, on daily steroid injection to stop its own immune system killing its own body.

This is not intended to encourage anti vax, but people deserve to know what can happen to them. I don't see any of these news in Western media (I can see why).

Can you provide links to this rather than posting more unsubstantiated scaremongering?

I agree. Of course the risks for individuals will vary but for me personally, Covid was a very mild illness. Whilst I appreciate the risk of blood clots is low, the cost/benefit equation doesn’t seem to stack up from where I’m standing. There must be many others in the same position.

It's a bit daft to say that the cost benefit equation doesn't stack up because you personally found Covid to be a very mild illness. Millions of people have been vaccinated and the vast majority have had mild or no side effects. DH and I just got an aching arm. The same can't be said for Covid.

n.news.naver.com/article/008/0004582647?ntype=RANKING

I didn't bother to put up link as I understood most people here wouldn't believe anyway, as I expected. There are lots more cases. Given how little AZ vaccine has been rolled out in S Korea, I would say statistics are staggeringly worrying and yet here in UK it is supposedly very safe for 30s and 40s...

@Belladonna12 You’re right of course - that’s why I said for me personally. There will be many for whom the benefits far outweigh the risks, but equally there will be those in a similar position who are concerned.

@Anaphylaxis

Looking at whats been reported OUTSIDE UK reg AZ vaccine side effects, in S Korea its is not blood clot but rather anaphylaxis for 20s 30s and 40s - and yes it doesn't kill them but practically disabled for foreseeable future, on daily steroid injection to stop its own immune system killing its own body.

This is not intended to encourage anti vax, but people deserve to know what can happen to them. I don't see any of these news in Western media (I can see why).

I think you mean Japan, which had some higher than expected anaphylaxis cases early on. All 17 had actually already recovered by the time of this report: www.chinadailyhk.com/article/159982.

It’s very strange the UK press is so quiet

Yes South Korea doesn't have any problems we don't know about. They are just going to stop AZ for under 30s like us due to clots.

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/skorea-resume-wider-use-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-exclude-people-under-30-2021-04-11/