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Why do people want to go on holidays abroad this summer? (Not travel to family)

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WombatChocolate · 16/04/2021 13:47

Given we have put in huge efforts to reduce the virus in this country over many months, I struggle why people (not the holiday industry) are so keen to whizz off for a couple of weeks of sun, when we know the virus is surging in parts of the world.

What is this about?

The only thing I can think of which makes any sense to me is that they have already booked, or had a booking carried forward from last year and fear losing the money. Somehow they would rather go than sacrifice the money and that has led to large numbers wanting to go.

We all know that mutants will come into the country through travel and it’s impossible to keep them out, so why do people want to go so much?

Is it that they just love a sunny holiday so much they don’t think about the possible consequences? Is it that they do t want to lose the money? Is it that they are jabbed and so don’t believe their travel can have any consequences? Is it that they don’t know about levels of virus around the world? Or is it that because the holiday industry wants to open up (very understandably) they have been influenced by them?

I really understand people who have family abroad, how difficult the travel issue is for them and I do understand why they want to go and often feel they must go. I’m not asking about that. It’s just the standard holiday I’m interested in, because I don’t really get it.

Anyone who has thoughts about it, or is keen to go and feels like saying why.....many thanks in advance for your thoughts.

OP posts:
Newmama29 · 16/04/2021 20:04

Quite frankly, because I can afford it. Looking at a UK break & it’s more expensive for a weekend here than it is for flights & accommodation for a week abroad. I live in Scotland where the weather is fairly dreich & we only get about 3 weeks max of sunny, warm weather a year & I would kill to lie in the sun for a week before I have to return to the slog of work after a pretty dire maternity leave.

Neonprint · 16/04/2021 20:05

@EileenGC

People need to be content with things opening up here and being able to see our families again.

If I want to see my family I need to travel abroad. Not everyone lives in the same country as their families and/or friends.

We're specifically talking about holidays. But OK purposely miss the point.
Tealightsandd · 16/04/2021 20:06

we don't have an end date in sight
Agreed. With widespread travel going on, who know when. Alternatively we could temporarily restrict our borders to allow us time to finish our vaccine rollout. Get the majority fully vaccinated, boosters for the extra vulnerable, and we'd be very much getting there.

EileenGC · 16/04/2021 20:07

For sure that new variants and surges will be around if people insist they need to go on holiday abroad, just when the levels back home are at tolerably low levels.

@jgw1 you won’t stop the spread of variants by not holidaying abroad. The variant is going to come in, sooner or later. There is still essential business and personal travel, there is freight coming into the country, the UK is not an isolated island so it’s not as simple as banning holidays. There is a land border with Ireland and you can reach France within half an hour. Keeping variants out isn’t fully dependable on people holidaying abroad.

ConeHat · 16/04/2021 20:07

I'm honestly shocked that people cant emphasize with people wanting their old lives back.

I cant see myself going abroad until at least 2023 for my own reasons due to lockdown, but I get that not everyone thinks, feels and wants what I want.

Why has the ability to emphasise been lost?

Yes I'd love to blow my cash on a trip to NY but I dont want to quarantine, I dont want to risk refunds or late cancellations but i totally get why others would. Why people might miss life pre covid or want to live in the moment knowing that we finite years on this earth.

Normal has gone. Why wouldnt people wish it back? I had covid. If we have left is life in lockdown maybe we should just let covid kill us off

JennyBond · 16/04/2021 20:07

I would have gone abroad last summer when I had the chance if I’d have known we’d still be in this position now.

jgw1 · 16/04/2021 20:09

[quote LondonWFuck]@jgw1 ok, France is one example but we can't go to France at the moment. Last summer, there were many countries which the U.K. government deemed OK to travel to. Do you think it was unreasonable for people to go to those places, given that it was perfectly legal to do so?

Even if certain places have more cases than Ed do, those places may not be as crowded as U.K. holiday destinations may be over the summer. It's close contact that drives infections up.

Like I say, I went abroad twice last year and for pretty much all that time I wasn't anywhere near anyone. Husband and I chilled out at the hotel, hired bikes and went exploring, and hired private boats with just a tour guide and a boat driver (sailor?!), all socially distanced and outdoors. I'd say all of that was very low risk.[/quote]
France is indeed one example. It also happens to be the 2nd most visited country by UK holidaymakers.

Spain (most popular destination for UK holidaymakers) has about 6 times as many cases (when adjusted for the different population sizes).

The UK government decides on many things, as far as I can tell their main interest is in maintaining their own power and feathering their own and their mates nests. I doubt the decision about holiday destinations was any different in that regard to others they have made.

MrsKramer · 16/04/2021 20:10

I'll answer this question when I'm floating on my lilo in our pool in the south of France...

LondonWFuck · 16/04/2021 20:10

@DianaT1969

OP, thousands of people (according to the media) flew in from Pakistan in the last couple of weeks in order to avoid hotel quarantine. Boris Johnson is off to India. People are choosing to go to hair salons, gyms and non-essential stores. Perhaps they feel that the NHS isn't overwhelmed and isn't likely to be again because more than 50% of adults have been vaccinated. Now we learn to live with Covid. Live being the important word. Holidays offer freedom. Wellness. New sights and experiences. Someone who doesn't travel, or value travel wouldn't understand that.
Exactly. Travel is so important to me. I don't go to salons or the hairdressers. I can't be arsed. Absolutely no judgment at all to those who do (and tbh I probably should have more pride in my appearance!) but it's just not for me. I don't go to shops. I don't have kids at school. I have wfh for a year. I do go to the gym now they have reopened. I've been on public transport twice this year - pre-Covid I used it almost every day. Everyone has their own risk profile, both with respect to themselves as individuals, and wider society. Overall, I'd say my risk profile is pretty low. If holidays are back on the agenda later this year, I'll be going on one.
EileenGC · 16/04/2021 20:11

@Tealightsandd

we don't have an end date in sight Agreed. With widespread travel going on, who know when. Alternatively we could temporarily restrict our borders to allow us time to finish our vaccine rollout. Get the majority fully vaccinated, boosters for the extra vulnerable, and we'd be very much getting there.
‘Getting there’. Even you realise that’s not a guarantee it’ll then be safe to reopen again. And like I said, where do you draw the line? My company hasn’t been allowed to work abroad for 14 months now, what if it takes another 14 months to start ‘getting there’? Please don’t compare it to Australia again, because I don’t know anyone in my industry who lives in Australia or NZ but depends on international travel to earn their average income. Yet 85% of my industry in Europe depends on international touring. That’s millions and millions of people.
WombatChocolate · 16/04/2021 20:15

Views about lots of things are very polarised at the moment. They range from those who want all restrictions lifted and life to return fully to normal, to those who still haven’t left home.

I know people who won’t feel they can go away for the night to stay with family, to those who won’t feel they can go on a UK holiday, to those who will do that but not go abroad. There are also those who will go to certain destinations in Europe after a lot of research and only to very self contained accommodation where they can avoid seeing anyone, to those who are happy to go anywhere if they are allowed, with very little thought.

There seems to be a lot of judgment from all sides. I don’t feel happy to go abroad myself this summer and am willing to wait until perhaps the spring next year. That is helped by the fact I love UK based holidays too and have booked something so have that to look forward to. However, I like discussing people’s thoughts and understanding why they reach different conclusions and what they place most weight on in their decision making. I haven’t called anyone selfish at any point on this thread (some people seem to think I have) not criticised any individual or the view they have expressed....because I did ask for people to express their views.

We don’t know what will happen next autumn and winter. We don’t know how travel might impact that outcome. And I know it won’t be the actions of any individual or their choice to holiday anywhere that determines it and the government has to be the ones to decide what’s allowed and then within that we choose whether to go or not. I won’t be having discussions in RL with anyone about their holiday choices and wouldn’t dream of suggesting anyone is making a wrong choice. We are all making choices every day which are different to each other.

I can see how some people long for the sun and feel it will massively boost them and their family to have the holiday and that it will sustain them if there are hard times ahead.

Regarding prices, I’m just if the view it’s all sown to demand and supply. Yes UK hols are expensive now because so many people don’t think they will be able to go abroad (because if restrictions or cost) and so many do t feel happy to go broad so demand for UK holidays is higher. I’m not convinced the quoted prices are for typical caravans if typical sites...but they make the point well that prices are high. As has been said, a peak week on a caravan park with facilities and entertainment can cost close to £2k in any year and somewhere like CenterParcs is always expensive. But there are also cheaper holidays too, depending on where you go and accommodation. But when demand is high and supply limited, prices will rise. I don’t blame the holiday letters. They are businesses who have struggled and offering holiday accommodation isn’t a social service that has to be subsidised to make it affordable for all. Suggesting they should subsidise people or have a cap on charges is the argument people sometimes make about all school holiday prices...but holidays aren’t an entitlement and the reality is quite simply that like most goods, if you have more money you can access more of them. It might not be fair but we accept that as the reality with most goods and holidays are no different in my mind. The extra cost of going abroad in terms of tests and quarantine this summer will hit those with less money more. Of course it will. Perhaps the industry might be able to get some of those costs down by negotiating with government, but there will be extra costs this year and those who can’t afford them or choose not to will be priced out of the market. That’s a shame, but in my mind it’s no different to finding you can’t afford a particular car that you’d like.

Yeah, I get that people can minimise risk by following all the rules and distancing and hand washing etc. I get that tourist areas will have to be strong on distancing etc. People might not come into contact with more or as many people as in some busy UK holiday resorts. Going is allowed and if restrictions are later added again, lots of people will be so pleased they got their summer sun in while they can. And I know that if 1 family choose not to go but 5million others do go, that 1 family staying at home won’t make any difference in all likelihood to any spread or impact that comes from the 5 Million going. And I know that people from abroad are coming here and will come and quarantine here might not be as good as it could be. And as a bottom line people really want to go. I know all those things and the importance of them to people has been really well explained in this thread by some people- so thank you.

It will be interesting to see what government policy looks like in terms of lists of countries and extra costs and inconveniences people will incur for travelling abroad as it all emerges. And it will be interesting to see how those policies impact demand to travel abroad at that point and whether the increased costs and inconveniences reduce demand much from what it would be without them or not. Clearly demand is lower this year, because it’s not just me that is choosing not to go abroad even if I can, but significant numbers, but I wonder how much further government policy will drive demand and if that might be one of its aims, as well as safety considerations??

Anyway, I hope the situation here keeps improving. Ultimately I suppose the situation abroad will be key in determining government policy. Of course we all hope these very high rates in some parts of the world start to drop...not just so we can have holidays but so lives in those places can get closer to normal too. And I’d guess most people are actually pleased to be guided by government about where might be safe to travel to, rather than having to gather their own info about those places and make judgements for themselves....although perhaps not everyone want S to be told by government, I’d think most feel safer choosing and going with the government guidance and restrictions in place, even if they impose extra cost and inconvenience.

I hope people can get some good holidays this summer. And I suppose mostly what this thread draws me to, is that I hope the government (more than indidividuals) is able to make some really balanced and sensible decisions about all of this. It’s their decisions which are key and people rightly will and have to be guided by them. If they say you can travel, you can and their judgement is it’s safe and fine for you to go. I’m happy with that. I hope they can balance all the competing issues and what’s happening in the world and make good choices. In the end it will be their policy which allows people to act or not and is responsible for outcomes from it. I think that’s what the thread and everyone’s thoughts have led me to....the Q isn’t so much about individual choice within a policy, it the policy itself. I can choose not to go abroad and others can choose to travel if allowed....all of us for different reasons. The real Qis what will be allowed.

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jgw1 · 16/04/2021 20:16

@EileenGC

For sure that new variants and surges will be around if people insist they need to go on holiday abroad, just when the levels back home are at tolerably low levels.

@jgw1 you won’t stop the spread of variants by not holidaying abroad. The variant is going to come in, sooner or later. There is still essential business and personal travel, there is freight coming into the country, the UK is not an isolated island so it’s not as simple as banning holidays. There is a land border with Ireland and you can reach France within half an hour. Keeping variants out isn’t fully dependable on people holidaying abroad.

Not holidaying abroad of course won't stop variants coming in, but would dramatically reduce the number of times they would come in and might significantly delay their arrival. In fact our rather lacklustre track and trace system might cope with keeping up with the new infections if they stayed at a low level, as we saw last year, if 1000s of people come back from holiday infected then we will go back into lockdown. Oh joy.
caringcarer · 16/04/2021 20:16

I have a holiday home in France, but I won't be using it this year. Going on a plane is too risky with the Aircon system. I week by the sea in Bridlington for us this year. Madness to go overseas and then bring back mutated varieties of Covid. Australia are going to lock down borders, we should be doing the same. We are an island so have this advantage but not using it. Madness.

EileenGC · 16/04/2021 20:18

@caringcarer the UK is not an island.

EileenGC · 16/04/2021 20:22

In fact our rather lacklustre track and trace system might cope with keeping up with the new infections if they stayed at a low level, as we saw last year, if 1000s of people come back from holiday infected then we will go back into lockdown. Oh joy.

There you have it. An incompetent track and trace system isn’t the fault of the holidaymaker. If the government deem it legal and safe going abroad, people are going to do it. Having a shambles of an organisation back home isn’t their fault or responsibility. I live somewhere with a decent T&T system who have coped brilliantly with foreign travel and tracing down infection routes. At no point during this pandemic has the government blamed the import of new variants on people holidaying in Spain. Because people coming back from their Spain holiday were adequately traced and kept an eye on until it was clear they didn’t bring and virus with them. Not like in the UK where quarantines weren’t enforced until a few months back.

jgw1 · 16/04/2021 20:25

@EileenGC

In fact our rather lacklustre track and trace system might cope with keeping up with the new infections if they stayed at a low level, as we saw last year, if 1000s of people come back from holiday infected then we will go back into lockdown. Oh joy.

There you have it. An incompetent track and trace system isn’t the fault of the holidaymaker. If the government deem it legal and safe going abroad, people are going to do it. Having a shambles of an organisation back home isn’t their fault or responsibility. I live somewhere with a decent T&T system who have coped brilliantly with foreign travel and tracing down infection routes. At no point during this pandemic has the government blamed the import of new variants on people holidaying in Spain. Because people coming back from their Spain holiday were adequately traced and kept an eye on until it was clear they didn’t bring and virus with them. Not like in the UK where quarantines weren’t enforced until a few months back.

Why would I pay attention to a government saying its ok to go abroad on holiday when they that can't organise a track and trace system to keep us all safe?
ByTreetops · 16/04/2021 20:26

If I didn’t have kids I would be seriously thinking about going abroad this year. I would quarantine before so that there was no risk of getting a positive test just before departure and not being allowed to travel. I could also quarantine when I returned. BUT with kids, I am not prepared to make them spend their entire summer holidays isolated from their friends.

I am surprised others are prepared to do this - which they must be

Stokey · 16/04/2021 20:27

@WombatChocolate, we've thought about it long and hard and factored in various things. Firstly we all had Corona virus over Christmas so think even the DC will be less likely to get it again in the summer, while DH and I will be vaccinated.
Secondly we're going somewhere that we fly directly and going self catering with our own pool which I see as less risky than staying in a hotel with shared pool and communal meals. We made it to France last year (before they closed borders) and again did it as safely as possible - own car on Eurostar, self catering and didn't eat out at all. What we could have got for the same price in the UK was in no way comparable even adding travel costs.
But as you say, it will all depend on policy in the end. We have been very law abiding during lockdown and haven't flouted the rules so would only go if we're given the go-ahead.

marshyindigo · 16/04/2021 20:28
  1. utterly bored of the UK, craving somewhere different
  2. want guaranteed sunshine
  3. I'm not in the least bit worried so not sure why I'd want/need to forgo 1 and 2 if it's available.
moochingtothepub · 16/04/2021 20:29

Because we booked last year

moochingtothepub · 16/04/2021 20:30

We are double jabbed so are the 2 DD's likely to come if we offered to pay

jasjas1973 · 16/04/2021 20:34

The weekly infection rate, according to the ONS was around 150k, beginning of April, with the R number under 1, by the time we get to june/july, infections should be very low, if its also very low in the destination country and there are mandatory testing on arrival/departure... then i don't really see the problem.

if none of this happens, then sure LD for another year but CV isn't going away, regardless of vaccinations, so the same issues next year after another winter of LD's.

My belief is far better over the counter treatment is the only way out of this.

LondonWFuck · 16/04/2021 20:35

@ByTreetops

If I didn’t have kids I would be seriously thinking about going abroad this year. I would quarantine before so that there was no risk of getting a positive test just before departure and not being allowed to travel. I could also quarantine when I returned. BUT with kids, I am not prepared to make them spend their entire summer holidays isolated from their friends.

I am surprised others are prepared to do this - which they must be

I totally get that re:kids and not wanting them to be isolated all hols. Totally makes sense.

I don't have kids, it's just me and the husband. We both wfh and can/would isolate before any holiday abroad. Again: our risk profile is pretty low overall.

Tbh, this whole thing just sucks so much. I'm lucky in that I have many years' travelling under my belt, pre-Covid, and I'm grateful for that. The fact that travel abroad is even such a hot topic these days just makes me sad Sad

flippertygibbit · 16/04/2021 20:36

My Dsis and I have our trip postponed from October 2020 and we're very hopeful to get in 2021. I've had and survived cancer. I also have an auto-immune disease. This last year was worse than the cancer year. I'd rather be dead than go though this again. Hope that helps :)

LondonWFuck · 16/04/2021 20:38

@flippertygibbit

My Dsis and I have our trip postponed from October 2020 and we're very hopeful to get in 2021. I've had and survived cancer. I also have an auto-immune disease. This last year was worse than the cancer year. I'd rather be dead than go though this again. Hope that helps :)
I really really hope you can go, and that you have an absolutely amazing time!!! Flowers