Moderna or AZ

[LimeFizz]

If you could pick would you go for moderna? My local hubs seem to have one of these depending on where you book so I could most probably choose which one to have.

I don't care, just one of them please asap

That’s interesting - so it was marked as a Moderna entrance? Wonder if anyone was given an option if there are two vaccines on site or if it’s still a get what you are given.

Also interesting that they are giving first doses of Moderna to lots of over-30s. Would have thought they would have been trying to hold them back for younger people as not many ordered and Pfizer orders less than before as well.

Moderna but probably neither as I don’t think they know enough about these vaccines, as evidenced by recent events. Definitely not AZ if under 60. I don’t think it’s at all likely the U.K. is right and every other country is wrong.

As said before I've had both doses of the AstraZeneca. A friend who lives abroad has just messaged. She had Moderna a week ago, it's knocked her for six and she's been in bed all week, hasn't worked, been anywhere. I guess it's rare that it makes someone feel that bad, but I wouldn't want to risk it, so would still have had AZ if I could turn the clock back. Having said that, if Moderna was the only vaccine available, I'd take it.

@TraffordDad75

That’s interesting - so it was marked as a Moderna entrance? Wonder if anyone was given an option if there are two vaccines on site or if it’s still a get what you are given.

Also interesting that they are giving first doses of Moderna to lots of over-30s. Would have thought they would have been trying to hold them back for younger people as not many ordered and Pfizer orders less than before as well.

The entrance wasn’t marked. You gave your name and ref number to someone outside with a tablet and they told you where to go. Everyone else was queuing at the front and I was directed to the back so I asked why and was told, they are AZ, you are getting Moderna.

@ConstantlyChanging

Moderna but probably neither as I don’t think they know enough about these vaccines, as evidenced by recent events. Definitely not AZ if under 60. I don’t think it’s at all likely the U.K. is right and every other country is wrong.

The biggest tragedy of this pandemic is AZ falling victim to politics and politicians making decisions that played to their domestic audiences, especially when trying to rid themselves of blame for their poor vaccine rollout. These countries have alternatives. Many countries don't.

There are a very very small number of people who have died as a result of having the AZ vaccine. But the numbers are so very small that the decisions they are making will kill more of their citizens.

But messaging us no longer just domestic. The African Union cancelled their order of AZ. Many from developing countries will not now take this or any vaccine.

THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

History will not look back kindly on the behaviours of many politicians surrounding their behaviour towards AZ. The UK is right here. And hopefully we can continue to show that AZ is an excellent vaccine and is saving lives.

But messaging us no longer just domestic. The African Union cancelled their order of AZ. Many from developing countries will not now take this or any vaccine.

I find that absolutely tragic. When you think of the possibilities of death from so many other causes in developing countries, it just seems completely counterintuitive.

I really want Pfizer but got AZ.
I'm nervous about getting my second dose but will definitely get it.

There isn't a tangible difference, pluses or minuses with either. I had AZ but would happily have had Pfizer, Moderns, Novovax or Janssen.
@Wakeupin2022 nailed it. The ludicrous behaviour over the Oxford Astrazeneca very minor risks, with a similar proportion found in the USA from mRNA vaccine study, have raised huge barriers to our collective ability to vaccinate the world and make ourselves safe from future mutations. What a shame.
People with zero scientific credentials making posts against any vaccine should read this and have a rethink: www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/world/europe/western-vaccines-africa-hesitancy.amp.html.

I went my for vaccine today assuming I'd get the Astrazeneca but got to the vaccine centre ( Ashton Gate, Bristol) to find we were getting Moderna. I was pleased tbh. They said they'd only started giving Moderna this past week.

I'm going tomorrow (currently a nervous wreck) and I'm presuming I'll get AZ as it's not one of the major centres. I don't mind, I just was it over with

@MrsFezziwig

But messaging us no longer just domestic. The African Union cancelled their order of AZ. Many from developing countries will not now take this or any vaccine.

I find that absolutely tragic. When you think of the possibilities of death from so many other causes in developing countries, it just seems completely counterintuitive.

I’ve just looked into this a bit more @Wakeupin2022. They say the decision to cancel AZ order is due to supply concerns from India, not the blood clot issue. They will still be receiving (and using) AZ via Covax.

Both the AZ and Moderna and Pfizer have similar risks.
Strangely though, it isnt reported.
This is a very interesting you tube clip about the risk factors for both.

I would rather take AstraZeneca....and in fact, that's the one I got.
The Moderna one appears to have more side effects in the arm (red patches, sore arm etc,) but that's only from reading subjective comments, not peer-reviewed research.

@MeanderingGently

I would rather take AstraZeneca....and in fact, that's the one I got. The Moderna one appears to have more side effects in the arm (red patches, sore arm etc,) but that's only from reading subjective comments, not peer-reviewed research.

You see I cope very well with pain and my arm was very painful for longer than people I know who had AZ or Pfizer. But I don’t cope very well with nausea or fever and I thankfully had none of that first dose.

So do we think the centres with Moderna are only offering Moderna or are they offering AZ as well. And I thought the Moderna was being held for under 30s, so how are people in the 45-49 list getting it to we know

Just Moderna at the vaccination centre I visited. Everybody got the same regardless of age. There was no alternative.

Just a general musing but I find it really interesting how the concern has shifted over the course of these vaccines developments from rhetoric about the potential effects of a mRNA vaccines in humans (never used in humans before covid) to concerns about very rare side effects in a known quantity.

Not particularly helpful either way but something I find interesting about where people are focusing their anxiety.

I am in the US and have had my two doses of Moderna (first in January, second in February) I am 49 years old.

After the first dose I just had a sore arm for a day or two. Nothing really to worry about. On the day I had the second dose I was fine. The following day I was exhausted and slept all day. I didn't feel unwell, just unbelievably tired. The day after that I had a slight headache but nothing a nurofen couldn't sort out and then after that I was absolutely fine. I've had other friends who have had Moderna with no ill effects whatsoever.

However I went for my routine mammogram on Friday and they have found enlarged lymph nodes in the armpit of the arm I had the vaccine. Apparently they have seen this quite a lot so are not overly concerned but I need to go back again in three months just to check it's vaccine related. I googled it when I got home and it does seem that there have been quite a few cases of this happening.

@RoseWineTime

AZ appears to provide a better T cell response so is more likely to prevent against hospitalisation and death than the mRNA vaccines.

Is that so? I’d have been happy with any of them tbh but fine with AZ.

I wouldn’t choose based on side effects as I thought second dose / first dose effects switched for specific vaccines.

I just don’t believe that it’s all propaganda against AZ. As you say, even countries without alternatives aren’t using it. They want their citizens to be safe and this to all be over as much as we do. They do not care more about playing politics. They’re just behaving appropriately to an unfolding situation and we are not.

Wait till Novavax comes out. It won't be long. Theyre already talking about a Moderna/ Novavax mix.
Its made differently as its to put simply to do with moths and tree bark.
So less reactions.
Its success rate is about 93% right now.

@ConstantlyChanging

I just don’t believe that it’s all propaganda against AZ. As you say, even countries without alternatives aren’t using it. They want their citizens to be safe and this to all be over as much as we do. They do not care more about playing politics. They’re just behaving appropriately to an unfolding situation and we are not.

So 10000 die from Covid rather than 1 from AZ.....

@ConstantlyChanging

I just don’t believe that it’s all propaganda against AZ. As you say, even countries without alternatives aren’t using it. They want their citizens to be safe and this to all be over as much as we do. They do not care more about playing politics. They’re just behaving appropriately to an unfolding situation and we are not.

I don't think it's propaganda per se, although I'm sure the fact it is the only one being sold not for profit hasn't eluded most people. But the media and other outlets have been irresponsible in manipulating data and their usual shock headlines. Other countries decisions, as with any others they make, has an element of politics to it, as do ours. I'm glad AZ is available here and people can make their own decision. The risk from clotting from covid is higher, but the state has less responsibility for that really, so it will just be oh no, bloody covid rather than ah yeah this jab we said was fine.

I've had both doses of AZ and would get it again.

‘ But the media and other outlets have been irresponsible in manipulating data and their usual shock headlines.’

Ummm... what data manipulation are you talking about? What shocking headlines?

@Etulosba

Northampton Moulton Park is doing Moderna today.

I had mine there yesterday.

Oh my GOD my arm this morning!!!!