If I refuse AZ which vaccine am I likely to get?

[DandelionSprout]

AZ jab is currently available to book but there are the obvious concerns. It sounds like J&J has similar problems. My GP said Pfizer for 1st doses is literally non-existent, Moderna is only available at a few selected sites and in small amounts, and Valneva won’t be rolled out for months. So if people refuse AZ what alternative are they realistically likely to get?

Nothing for a long time.

What you get will depend on what is available at the vaccine centre on the day of the vaccination.

Are you in the 18-30 bracket, op?

Nothing in my vac centre unless you're 16-18 year old

If you refuse then you will likely get one of the alternatives in your OP but it will be a very long wait.

Nothing for a while. J&J after that, unless we follow the US, according to my CCG.

My GP is unlikely to have anything except AZ. For some reason the website won’t let me book at the vaccine centre even though my GP called and said I’m eligible.

Nothing for a long time yes that’s what I’m thinking. It’s going to be AZ or nothing, for me and many others. I’m weighing up AZ vs other jabs but realistically it’s likely to be AZ vs nothing.

You’ll probably have to wait

Where I vaccinate if you are under 30 or medics advise against you would be booked into a Pfizer clinic but getting dose 2 would be a worry.
If you’re over 30 etc you would be counted as having refused the vaccine.

Potentially nothing, unless you’re under 30. Under 30’s are being given Moderna, 16-18’s being given Pfizer, everyone else AZ unless a second vaccine.

Why are only under 30s being given Moderna? I'm in my 30s and afraid to get the AZ, I've had many colleagues become very unwell after having it, then now so many countries are not giving it to people my age? I've had the Covid so don't mind waiting for a better option.

Yes, it's likely to AZ or nothing for ages.

Plus, as has been said, there will be small risks with the others as well, there's just not enough data on them yet

Given the rate deaths after these 'rare' blood clots per million, I'd just have the Astra Zeneca vaccine & protect yourself from Covid/Long Covid.

Don't forget that 19/20+million died AFTER the vaccination & when no one was looking for blood clots. Now they're looking for them, they might find a few more blood clots, but if people seek treatment as per the guidelines, the deaths will be incredibly rare.

I’m in the 40s bracket, currently eligible to book but not keen to have AZ.

Nothing for a while. J&J after that J&J is just as bad as AZ. Might as well have AZ if that’s the case.

Novavax may be an option by june

@kowari

Why are only under 30s being given Moderna? I'm in my 30s and afraid to get the AZ, I've had many colleagues become very unwell after having it, then now so many countries are not giving it to people my age? I've had the Covid so don't mind waiting for a better option.

Only because when cases are really low, the cost/reward ratio is lower in that age group, than the other age groups.

As soon as case rates are medium the benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk we are currently,as a country, just under medium risk, but in some places in the country it's already medium.

If you are eligible to book now you will be offered whats available on that day which at the moment is likely to be az or moderna. If you book and refuse az you will probably go down as a refuser and maybe they will do mop ups later once the rest of phase two are done. That's just my guess.

I'm fairly confident that ALL the non mRNA vaccines will behave identically.

So IF the moderna jabs are being reserved ONLY for the

@DandelionSprout

I’m in the 40s bracket, currently eligible to book but not keen to have AZ.

Nothing for a while. J&J after that J&J is just as bad as AZ. Might as well have AZ if that’s the case.

Op cases will rise and at your age the risk from Covid is greater than from vaccine

It’s up to you but consider the relative risk imo

Only because when cases are really low, the cost/reward ratio is lower in that age group, than the other age groups.
What if people in their 30s and 40s weigh up what they think their own risk is and decide they don't want the AZ? People who are a healthy weight with no underlying conditions. Will more Moderna become available?

How can Moderna be reserved for under 30s if they’re currently only vaccinating 40+ ?

COVID

@DandelionSprout

I’m in the 40s bracket, currently eligible to book but not keen to have AZ.

Nothing for a while. J&J after that J&J is just as bad as AZ. Might as well have AZ if that’s the case.

Dandelion

I understand it's made some people nervous and I don't want to add to that, but other vaccines will carry risks too- all vaccines/medication does.

Even when we have a low risk rate of Covid (as we do now) the risk/benefit calculation is already in favour of the vaccine in your age group. If you live in an area of higher than than 60/100,000 it's much more in favour of the vaccine. On an individual basis, your chances of getting a blood clot are teeny. The chances if you getting Covid &!being horribly unwell are higher and long Covid too. The ratios were calculated on ICU level Covid, within 16 weeks (standard length of time for these calculation, but the vaccination protects you for a much longer period. If they'd used medium level
Rates of Covid or a longer time frame, it would have shown in favour of the vaccine in all age groups. And an increased ratio of favour in your age group.

Your risk of Covid/long Covid definitely outweighs the risk of severe side effects from the vaccine.

Sorry I’m just trying to figure out what my options are if I refuse AZ. Like I said, it’s no good me considering AZ vs another vaccine if the real decision is AZ vs nothing.

Nothing (although I don’t suppose the nhs will be as strict as I think they should be)

@kowari

Only because when cases are really low, the cost/reward ratio is lower in that age group, than the other age groups. What if people in their 30s and 40s weigh up what they think their own risk is and decide they don't want the AZ? People who are a healthy weight with no underlying conditions. Will more Moderna become available?

Possibly, but it should have to be paid for privately. The AZ is perfectly fine, if people want to choose something else, they should have to pay privately for it.