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Astra-Zenaca clots caused by accidental injection of the vaccine into a vein within the deltoid.

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Cormoran · 11/04/2021 21:24

In a French newspaper yesterday, there was an article reporting a research paper drawing the hypothesis that the thrombosis events are caused by an abnormal activation of Neutrophil extracellular traps (NET) when vaccine hits a vein instead of muscle tissue.

The paper is in French
ducotedelascience.org/evenements-thrombotiques-apres-le-vaccin-astrazeneca-et-si-cetait-lie-a-une-reponse-immunitaire-discordante/ but you can use google translate to translate it into French. I have done so for the relevant parts and pasted them here
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One of the hypotheses that may explain the occurrence of thrombosis by abnormal activation of NET, following the vaccine injection, is the accidental injection of the vaccine into a vein within the deltoid. The adenoviruses would then be injected directly into the blood, which would trigger an innate and adaptive immune response, the activation of neutrophils and the release of NET. Then the formation of thrombi would define the severity of the thromboses.
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"Intravenous passage: a possible hypothesis, according to the literature?

The adenovirus like many other viruses (retroviruses, lentiviruses, AAV) is widely used in research as a vector either to study certain genes or to deliver them to cells, in vitro or in vivo [14]. In the latter case, the injection of the viruses into mouse models has given rise to numerous publications concerning the pharmacokinetics / pharmacodynamics of these viruses depending on the routes of administration. A recent publication takes stock of the immune response induced by intravenous injection of adenovirus in mice: it shows that adenovirus administered by IV disappears very quickly from the bloodstream and is undetectable after 30 minutes [14].
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"This does not correspond to its elimination but to its trapping . When it comes to large amounts of viral particles, this intravenous administration can be lethal in mice but also in non-human primates [15].

In fact, if the quantity of virus is too large, the different capture mechanisms by the innate immune system can cause hepatic capture and an “inflammatory storm” with cytokine shock, activation of the coagulation cascade, likely to lead to consumer thrombocytopenia, DIC, and multiorgan disease that can endanger or kill mice [14]."

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mustlovegin · 13/04/2021 15:15

vaccination technique was detailed quite extensively in some of the vaccination training materials

That's reassuring GrumpyHoonMain

moochingtothepub · 13/04/2021 15:22

@HSHorror

They have cases with Pfizer too and j&j was halted today for the same reason

ConstantlyChanging · 13/04/2021 15:42

That makes sense to me and explains why the UK has proportionately fewer case

Oh come on. First of all - no we dont. When you count only the ‘at risk’ group for this condition the proportionately our cases are just as high. If you count it as per all vaccinated including a lot of very old people that are almost always unaffected by this, then it makes our case rates look lower. And secondly, we are not better at vaccinating than other countries and it’s their own incompetence that’s killing people. Shock

oneglassandpuzzled · 13/04/2021 15:44

@mustlovegin

Can I ask if this has been emphasized to the newly recruited vaccinators who are volunteering to administer the Covid jabs? - the need to ensure that the vaccine to go into the muscle

Also, does anyone know if nurses are likely to be administering jabs at pharmacies (i.e. Boots) or is it a different type of professional?

Just trying to pre-empt any issues (obviously I'm very thankful to those who have kindly and selflessly volunteered to carry out such mammoth task)

My husband is an SJA-trained vaccinator, who may be used in our GP vaccine centre now that the commissioning group has OK'd this.

His training was rigorous and great emphasis was placed on putting the needle in exactly where he needs to go: in the muscle, not a blood vessel, keeping it at 90 degrees and not withdrawing it quickly, etc. It really was quite painstaking.

mustlovegin · 13/04/2021 16:56

Thank you! @oneglassandpuzzled

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