For anyone who is scared about vaccines, variants, blood clots...

[MrsHastingslikethebattle]

Please follow Mac n Chise on Twitter.

She is a virologist who works for Moderna who gives balanced factual data on Covid 19 and its vaccines. Everything she says is backed up my studies and data.

Really good for anyone who is anxious or who read s a lot of tabloids/social media articles.
Following her, seeing information in a clear way, really helped with my anxiety over this situation.
Every time I see 'mutant variant' or AZ and blood clots, I shrug as I know the actual data rather than just reading the headlines, who you will find, massively misuse information.

@Fieldofmemes

Spot on imo & an excellent post. It probably won’t get much love though because legitimate doubts aren’t what people want to hear. The UK is driving with the hammer down & if there is some collateral damage before we pause to look in the rear view, that’s too bad because we need to open up already.

Does anyone know WHEN the clot risk is? I've heard conflicting info about whether the risk is in the couple of weeks immediately after vaccination, or creates a life long risk.

@chrischirp is great too (Prof Christina Pagel)

@Fieldofmemes, spot on with your posts.

@Fieldofmemes

The MHRA contradicted themselves in the press conference - they stated quite clearly that they could see no greater risk from the vaccine for any particular group - and yet at the same time said 51 of the 79 cases were in women.

A greater number of the cases were in women, in proportion to the fact that more women have been vaccinated with AZ than men. Hence why neither MHRA nor EMA have made any sex-specific risk recommendations.

@1990s my friend developed it on the 16th day after the jab

Her friend suffered complication 15 minutes after the jab.

@MrsHastingslikethebattle thanks for this. Very helpful.

Some countries have seen case rates as high as 1 in 20 000

@Fieldofmemes do you have a link for this, please?

I would be interested to know the risk for someone fit in their 30s, who has already had covid with nothing more than a headache. Is the personal risk from covid still greater than the risk from the vaccine?

@pinkearedcow
on.ft.com/3a651C5
Go down to the paragraph about Norway
It's the FT so behind a paywall but this link should work. If NOT, here is the relevant sentence:
"In Norway, health officials have reported at least six such cases among 120,000 recipients of the jab, four of whom died."

@Circumlocutious that would make sense - if correct, that's one concern down and a few more to go.

@Mif4

My vulnerable gran has avoided covid living in a household with her teenage grandchildren who go to school and college and my aunt and uncle who have been going to work during this whole fiasco

She had the vaccine and ended up in hospital for 3 weeks from a blood clot..

Incredibly unlucky for your gran. Did you not warn her of the risks? Given your previous posts, you’ve been quite convinced the vaccines are dangerous, and unnecessary for some time.

@HarrietOh death risk from Covid for healthy 30 year old woman at the moment is 1 in 250 000 (this is under current conditions I believe i.e. not in a peak). That doesn't take into account previous Covid infection status, however. "Official" UK death risk from the AZ vaccine is 1 in a million (MHRA) - based on their having given approx 20 million vaccines across all age groups (but at the time they gave this figure, most people vaccinated in UK with AZ had been older people). At the other end of the scale, Norway's death rate was 1 in 40 000. Norway gave the vaccine to mainly younger (female) healthcare workers. In Germany the death rate was 3 in a million, I don't know the age/sex cohort they vaccinated: this is from the FT (same article I quoted before):
"In Germany, 31 cases have been reported after 2.7m vaccinations, including 29 women aged between 20 and 63, and two men aged 36 and 57. Nine of them have died."

[quote Fieldofmemes]@HarrietOh death risk from Covid for healthy 30 year old woman at the moment is 1 in 250 000 (this is under current conditions I believe i.e. not in a peak). That doesn't take into account previous Covid infection status, however. "Official" UK death risk from the AZ vaccine is 1 in a million (MHRA) - based on their having given approx 20 million vaccines across all age groups (but at the time they gave this figure, most people vaccinated in UK with AZ had been older people). At the other end of the scale, Norway's death rate was 1 in 40 000. Norway gave the vaccine to mainly younger (female) healthcare workers. In Germany the death rate was 3 in a million, I don't know the age/sex cohort they vaccinated: this is from the FT (same article I quoted before):
"In Germany, 31 cases have been reported after 2.7m vaccinations, including 29 women aged between 20 and 63, and two men aged 36 and 57. Nine of them have died."[/quote]
Thanks. I'm going to have the vaccine, always have been, just curious if because I've already had covid which didn't make me ill whether I'm actually more at risk from the vaccine.

Thanks @Fieldofmemesld. That number does seem scarily high, but it does seem something of an outlier. I wonder why? Germany's figures are very different, for example:

 In Germany, 31 cases have been reported after 2.7m vaccinations, including 29 women aged between 20 and 63, and two men aged 36 and 57. Nine of them have died. 

(There is a big error in that article - it says Italy is restricting the jab to people under 80!)

Presumably you need to aggregate all the figures from all countries to get the true rate. One country's rate isn't more 'accurate' than another. In just the same way you wouldn't take one vaccination centres data over another. I guess as it is all so new it will take time for all that analysis to take place. I suppose it is may turn out that certain populations may have higher numbers of people with conditions that predispose to bad reactions eg there has been some suggestion that some of the people getting the clotting disorder also show a similar rare reaction to heparin.

@Ontopofthesunset correct. But our official figure of 1 death per million is also an outlier - and we have mainly used AZ on a predominantly older cohort, which seems to have been glossed over. The people about to be vaccinated are the young. It is their risk level we need to be focussed on.

Typically with covid, the timeline seems to be
Day 0 Contracts covid
Days 2-> Sufficient viral load for +ve test
Days 3-> Becomes infectious
Days 4-> Develops symptoms
Days ~12-> Serious illness/Death
death.....
plenty of people have had no symptoms and made a full recovery too!

I am a fairly healthy 42 year old. After having AstraZeneca vaccine I began to feel ill. The end result being that I suffered a massive internal bleed. My blood haemoglobin level fell to 55. I was on the verge of collapse, admitted to hospital and needed three units of blood. An endoscopy and colonoscopy could not find the cause. I am still recovering and none the wiser as to the cause.

Was it the vaccine? The answer is, we don’t know and will probably never know. Nobody knows because there is not enough long term data. It makes me sick that we are being coerced into having a vaccine that most of us don’t need.

Why are people getting their information about vaccines from an anime-covered semi-anonymous Twitter account?

@whyhell0there, no from mainstream news. Many of us probably from international news sources. Where are you getting your information from if you are not picking up that this is not just an issue discussed on Twitter accounts?

@TinaYouFatLard . I hope you feel better now, that sounds scary.
I’m due mine Thursday and I honestly don’t know what to do. It’s definitely coercion.

I’m not having it because I’m worried I may die from covid. It’s because I may not be able to access things.

[quote PandoraP]@whyhell0there, no from mainstream news. Many of us probably from international news sources. Where are you getting your information from if you are not picking up that this is not just an issue discussed on Twitter accounts?[/quote]
Eh? I'm referring to the Twitter account promoted by the OP...?

@whyhell0there, sorry 😣

@TinaYouFatLard wow I'm so sorry. That must have been terrifying. Glad you have recovered. Like you say, the problem is that no one can prove whether or not the vaccine caused it. However, there now seems to be a link between this type of vaccine (adenovirus viral vector technology as used in AZ and Johnson & Johnson) and clotting / bleeding problems. See the latest news from the US where they have just paused the rollout of J&J because of suspected rare blood clot links. It is interesting that the US has taken this step on the basis of 6 cases and 1 death. Whereas with 79 cases and 19 deaths we are continuing to use AZ across most of our population.