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Should I send DD back to school?

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Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 14:13

We deregistered Y8 DD in October for various reasons, mainly due to my disability as well as her deteriorating mental health. She was terrified of bringing Covid home, was really struggling with mask wearing and really struggling with her safe spaces being removed, such as use of the library at lunch etc. She is being assessed for Asperger's and the whole thing felt so desperate at the time.
Since then we enrolled her at an online school I am not hugely impressed with and her life just seems so empty Sad. She is becoming withdrawn and never wants to do anything other than play on her pc. She hasn't a single friend except for a close pen pal in another country. We were at the playground recently and when three teenage girls her own age came in she noticeably became anxious and upset and wanted to go home.
Now I have had the vaccine and things seem to be improving I'm wondering it if might not be time to put her back in school. Her headteacher has already said they will most likely have space for her. She had only recently started in the school too due to a managed move for bullying. The whole thing is a complete mess tbh! At the time we were sure it was the right thing to do.
She absolutely hates school and she will be unhappy with the idea of going back, particularly now masks are required in class too and they have to test themselves twice a week (she has sensory issues that will make this a real challenge for her) but this is no life for a 13 year old girl Sad. I have no idea what to do for the best, I just assumed we would be able to wait covid out and that things would go back to normal, but it seems like proper normality is still a long time away.
WWYD?

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HastingsIsSuckingDiesel · 11/04/2021 15:40

Aside from the decisions about school- it sounds like she needs some proper limits on her online time and time spent in her bedroom. I think many teens (mine included) have become too used to being online (gaming and learning) and sitting in their bedroom the last year and now it's time to get some better routines and healthier activities in place.

Not always easy though- has led to some teen tantrums round here!

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 15:40

It's all been quite delayed due to covid so no idea really, we have a phone appointment coming up. I know the school said before that these things are easier when you're enrolled.

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FlattestWhite · 11/04/2021 15:44

I think it's right to be very mindful that what you want for her might not be what she wants.

Some children can feel huge pressure from parents to 'do normal teenage things', to have friends, to socialise, to go to parties/prom, etc, when actually that makes the child feel really anxious too, or also gives them the impression that there is something wrong with them for not wanting those things. They can end up wishing that they were the sort of person who did want to do them, whilst at the same time not wanting/being able to, and that can set up some very damaging cycles.

Sitting in her room eating unhealthy food and doing no exercise obviously isn't a good plan, but changing that doesn't have to mean going back to school necessarily. Perhaps options for getting out and exercising healthily, maybe doing some activities if she wants (even if they are mostly solitary ones, they could be out of the house). Sometimes quite structured activities are good for anxious children, as they can participate within defined boundaries, but don't have to socialise freely - e.g., sports training, orchestras, choirs, art classes, etc, where the focus is off socialising, but there are still other people around.

Or if she does goes back to school, removing the expectation that she necessarily needs to/should/should want to socialise or make friends, and reassuring her that she is still worthy and normal and can have a good life even if she doesn't.

Can you explore other online schools that might be better or have more interaction/activities outside actual lessons?

Or put her back, with lots of support from school, but then let her recover and rest with lots of minecraft etc afterwards, if what is stressing her out is all the other expectations for social behaviour at school?

Would a tutor help for things like maths/English/general mentor support so that she doesn't feel like she is falling behind?

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 15:48

That's a really interesting point @FlattestWhite about the structured activities. She really enjoys girl guides despite it being quite 'social' and I think that probably is due to them giving them a structured activity to do etc.

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RedToothBrush · 11/04/2021 15:52

@Beebityboo

She wouldn't want to be exempt from wearing the mask as that would make her 'stand out' iyswim? I didn't realise testing at school wasn't mandatory, can it be done at home instead? I am also worried that there will be another wave with a worse variant, I know I can't keep her home forever but things feel so uncertain at the moment.
Devil's Advocate: How much of your anxiety are you passing on to your daughter?

Its just that your comment about being worried about there being another wave with a worse variant and your comments about your disability jump out as it not necessarily just being about her but also you. I can understand that to a point, but it also seems you may have contributed, albeit unintentionally, to her being so anxious.

We may have another wave, but our vaccination programme is doing well, and realistically you have to make a conscious decision about how long this can continue with. You say yourself its no way for a 13 year old to live and its untenable. That suggests you've hit the point where, like it or not, you have to suck it up and need to put things into better context in terms of risk (and it being far lower going forward than it has been).

I can't help but feel pulling her out of school, rather than reducing your anxiety, is adding to avoidance type behaviour and compounding the problem by legitimising her fears as being real and bigger than they are in practice.

Instead I think you have to start to downplay stuff and say things like its safe to go to school and masks are better than no masks because it reduces the risk for everyone more, and that rates are much, much lower than they were, we are approaching high levels of community immunity which protect everyone else etc. Basically change the message she's hearing from those she trusts most and make it more positive in tone than negative. Reframe the way things are presented to her and you discuss them with her slightly.

In terms of testing she doesn't have to be tested at all, if you don't consent to it. This doesn't affect whether she can attend. She might feel happier to be tested and be reassured that she is ok. She might be stressed about being tested. Talk it through with her. No right or wrong answer here, just the best one for her.

I would fear the longer she is outside school, the less opportunity she has to navigate social situations - even if they aren't brilliant ones. I would worry she's headed for bigger mental health issues if she's continuing to withdraw at home. Its obviously not a solution and I think you know that yourself deep down.

School is crap for a lot of kids. I have to say I think I probably largely had better relationships with the teachers than some of the other kids. That in itself shouldn't be knocked. I was always a loner and didn't particularly enjoy it. However I still got stuff from it. One of the things about being a teenager is learning to be independent from your parents - and being constantly around you she's not getting the opportunity to do that, especially if her other activities such as guides are not running. School teaches things that parents can't and you can't learn online.

Devil's advocate hat on here again: Are you trying to protect her too much at this stage. Are there things you can't protect her from and its good for her to experience even if they aren't 100% positive? Has her experience in being bullying led you to be over protective?

I don't think there are easy answers here, but I do think you have to think about certain things and maybe be a parent in a different way, who pushes her forward more rather than supporting her to withdraw. I suspect that at times she needs to be given confidence to do things (even if she doesn't like them) rather than merely allowed to avoid situations because she finds them hard unfortunately.

MazekeenSmith · 11/04/2021 15:54

She developed anxiety over contracting covid and in response you have allowed her to not leave the house and interact with others which is about the worst thing you could have done for the anxiety. I get that there are other reasons why you took her out but honestly- if you don't get her back in again soon you may never get her in. Just get it done. Schools are going to be more normal over the next few months. She doesn't have to test if she can't cope with it.

itsgettingwierd · 11/04/2021 15:57

@Beebityboo

What DD wants is to live in her bedroom on a diet of pasta and play minecraft all day every day Grin. I just want her to have a fuller life, one with friends and normal teenage experiences, but yes I do try to be mindful that what I want for her may not be what she wants. Mainly I just want her to be happy and to do well at school.
It maybe friends aren't really a thing for her. My ds certainly has no interest in people outside of the situations he's involved with them in!

Is there something she'd enjoy like horse riding or swimming or something?

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:00

That's a fair point @RedToothBrush. I am a highly anxious person, as was my mother and I have tried really really hard not to pass that on to DD, I don't think I have done the best job of that during the pandemic. I was genuinely worried about my chances if I caught Covid but that wasn't the sole reason we removed her. She was desperately unhappy and struggling with everything changing. It really felt like the right thing to do when we did it and even my (logical and stoic to a fault) DH agreed with the decision.
I am over-protective and she is my fist teen and I know that I can't keep hiding her away at home where she is safe and happy, I just want the next decision I make to be the right one for her and one that will stick.

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Wellbythebloodyhell · 11/04/2021 16:00

Many teenagers have spent a lot of time In their rooms playing online games and probably not eating well or exercising enough this past year so I wouldn't worry too much on that front. As more things are starting to open look for groups and clubs that are re starting in your area, maybe there's something you could both go to together then she wouldn't feel too anxious not knowing anyone. Cooking classes, or art classes, yoga classes or walking groups maybe. I feel like you want her to go back to school more for the social side than the educational side which is understandable.

itsgettingwierd · 11/04/2021 16:01

@MazekeenSmith

She developed anxiety over contracting covid and in response you have allowed her to not leave the house and interact with others which is about the worst thing you could have done for the anxiety. I get that there are other reasons why you took her out but honestly- if you don't get her back in again soon you may never get her in. Just get it done. Schools are going to be more normal over the next few months. She doesn't have to test if she can't cope with it.
And this advice is totally the opposite of the advice a qualified clinical psychologist gave me about my autistic ds.

So unless you have a qualification in clinical psychology and specialise in anxiety related to autism (and this is just another professional viewpoint) I'm not sure that's helpful.

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:01

@MazekeenSmith

She developed anxiety over contracting covid and in response you have allowed her to not leave the house and interact with others which is about the worst thing you could have done for the anxiety. I get that there are other reasons why you took her out but honestly- if you don't get her back in again soon you may never get her in. Just get it done. Schools are going to be more normal over the next few months. She doesn't have to test if she can't cope with it.
Not just about Covid, there were other things going on also. She had been terribly bullied beforehand too. She also does leave the house. She just isn't socialising with children her own age, which I know is a big issue, hence me posting here for advice.
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itsgettingwierd · 11/04/2021 16:03

Beebity honestly ignore those saying to force her. You risk making her even iller with MH.

You wouldn't tell someone with a broken leg to walk on it to make it heal quicker. Same theory applied to MH. You heal what's broken and then spend time slowly and gently getting it back to fully functioning as it should.

SpnBaby1967 · 11/04/2021 16:04

All you have managed to do is successfully push your own covid anxieties onto your poor daughter who already has anxiety issues of her own. Instead of supporting her to go to school when schools were open you've hidden her at home for 6 months and you wonder why shes struggling Confused

Get the poor girl back into school and start putting her priority and #1 instead of yourself and your personal anxieties.

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:07

@SpnBaby1967

All you have managed to do is successfully push your own covid anxieties onto your poor daughter who already has anxiety issues of her own. Instead of supporting her to go to school when schools were open you've hidden her at home for 6 months and you wonder why shes struggling Confused

Get the poor girl back into school and start putting her priority and #1 instead of yourself and your personal anxieties.

Again, not hidden her at home by any means, we're out in the fresh air all of the time, and I didn't remove her for myself. If she was happy at school no way would I have pulled her out. My other two children stayed at primary throughout.
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bathsh3ba · 11/04/2021 16:11

I'm mum to an autistic girl, have worked in specialist autism schools and am now an autism researcher.

My thoughts:

Agree with PPs who say it's ok for her to not be bothered about having friends, as long as that's true and not something she is saying as a defence mechanism. Social interaction may not be a priority for her. In my view, she does need to learn how to manage social situations when she comes across them, but these skills can be learned at her own pace.

Secondly, the anxiety should be tackled separately from the autism but by someone who knows autism. Does she have a CAMHS contact? For my DD it helps to understand the science behind her biological response to anxiety.

On the school front, I think school is hard for many autistic young people but home ed is a massive endeavour for a parent. In your situation if you are happy the school will be understanding, I would send her back. Balancing both your and her needs, it sounds like a school environment is better for her even if she would prefer to be at home.

SpnBaby1967 · 11/04/2021 16:15

Again, not hidden her at home by any means, we're out in the fresh air all of the time, and I didn't remove her for myself. If she was happy at school no way would I have pulled her out. My other two children stayed at primary throughout

Well, in your OP you stated this

We deregistered Y8 DD in October for various reasons, mainly due to my disability

You stated it was mainly due to your disability, this means you put yourself first, not her. Her MH issues were an after thought.

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:18

I'm not really interested in arguing with you. I said it was due to my disability as well as her mental health, and there were other reasons too.

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Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:19

Regardless I posted here for advice on what to do next. I can't go back in time. The schools closed for months anyway, it's not as though she would have been there if if I had kept her in.

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OpheliasCrayon · 11/04/2021 16:20

@SpnBaby1967

All you have managed to do is successfully push your own covid anxieties onto your poor daughter who already has anxiety issues of her own. Instead of supporting her to go to school when schools were open you've hidden her at home for 6 months and you wonder why shes struggling Confused

Get the poor girl back into school and start putting her priority and #1 instead of yourself and your personal anxieties.

Well you're unkind aren't you!
SpnBaby1967 · 11/04/2021 16:21

@Beebityboo

I'm not really interested in arguing with you. I said it was due to my disability as well as her mental health, and there were other reasons too.
I literally copy & paste what you wrote Hmm
AdventureIsWaiting · 11/04/2021 16:22

Hi OP. I have ASD (more than met the threshold for Aspergers, but it's not an official diagnosis any more).

Your daughter sounds very similar to me, and if my parents had given me the option I would have jumped at homeschooling, but also ended up a lot like your DD (even though I was going to school I spent ages on the internet playing games etc. The night before one of my GCSE exams I literally stayed up for 24 hours doing sweet FA online it was vitally important to me at the time Grin).

It's absolutely okay not to want friends (and you haven't failed her) - as an adult I only have one or two friends and I don't want any more. I'm quite happy in my own way Smile

I have often thought that in this pandemic I'm glad I'm no longer at school as the testing / masks etc. would cause me a lot of distress. But I think if you can put measures in place I would send her back; in the long run it was better for me to be in school, I got a better education than I would have at home, and I had to learn how to cope / deal with others - these were building blocks for my (successful) career.

I'd see if you can take the tests at home (and then don't take them) and also ask whether your DD can discretely record the lessons on her phone, or similar (are they allowed phones on desks?) to play back later, as the mask will affect her ability to concentrate / take new information in.

Another option might be part-time schooling - can she make a 'managed return' and just go in for core subjects for the moment, until the summer hols? Masks may not be needed in September. Then you've got the best of both worlds - key subjects covered, integrated in school, plenty of down time away from masks, tests, things that cause distress.

Some schools offer a buddy system. These can be hit and miss, but if they find the right person for her, someone could take her under their wing during school hours?

Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:23

As I said, not interested in arguing. I was a worried, disabled mother with a mentally ill daughter and did what I thought was right. Even if I'd decided to keep her there the schools closed after Christmas anyway. It's what I do next being the best thing for her that I need to focus on.

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Beebityboo · 11/04/2021 16:28

They tried giving her a buddy but she complained as DD just kept getting her book out at lunch when she was talking to her, didn't seem to understand that was maybe a bit rude Hmm Grin. She genuinely seems to mean it when she says she doesn't really want friends.

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RedToothBrush · 11/04/2021 16:34

@bathsh3ba

I'm mum to an autistic girl, have worked in specialist autism schools and am now an autism researcher.

My thoughts:

Agree with PPs who say it's ok for her to not be bothered about having friends, as long as that's true and not something she is saying as a defence mechanism. Social interaction may not be a priority for her. In my view, she does need to learn how to manage social situations when she comes across them, but these skills can be learned at her own pace.

Secondly, the anxiety should be tackled separately from the autism but by someone who knows autism. Does she have a CAMHS contact? For my DD it helps to understand the science behind her biological response to anxiety.

On the school front, I think school is hard for many autistic young people but home ed is a massive endeavour for a parent. In your situation if you are happy the school will be understanding, I would send her back. Balancing both your and her needs, it sounds like a school environment is better for her even if she would prefer to be at home.

This is my train of thought.

And teaching her whats normal for her might be different to other kids and thats just fine.

She should play to her social rules /strengths and weaknesses but she has to still learn to navigate social situations in her own way. Opting out of life all together isn't an option in the long run because thats harmful in its own right.

hiredandsqueak · 11/04/2021 16:45

Does she have an EHCP? (assuming you are in England) My dd with autism was out of school with anxiety pre covid and for her, it was the right thing at the time. She went back to a different school in February 2020 and in fact has been in school throughout as her school carried on as normal throughout. With the support from an EHCP she might find school easier or maybe a different way of schooling easier. Dd likes having friends now school isn't stressful for her but when school was stressful it took everything she had just to cope with school.