Italy has overtaken us on the death statistics :-(

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And eastern european countries are even worse hit. All so sad.

I believe it is the so called 'Kent variant' which ripped through the UK causing our second wave, is responsible. This pandemic is horrendous.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Awful what this is doing to the world

Yet people (Mainly on here and on the TV) will have you believe that it’s only England in this mess because we moan too much and don’t wear masks.

No they haven’t

I think they might do at some point depending on how they get through this wave but we’re still approximately 13k higher than them overall. It’s very frustrating how no country seems to be learning lessons from one another the whole way through this thing. A lot of mainland Europe seemed to get complacent when they maintained highish numbers for a few weeks instead of seeking to lower them further.

I read that France are on track to overtake us by summer. Awful.

interesting article in the FT today (sorry, behind paywall)
www.ft.com/content/19cb0b7d-cc0b-4193-8808-7b39e04e9f93
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'After the authorities in Italy’s Puglia region asked Antonio La Scala to conduct an audit of everyone who had been given a coronavirus vaccine, the findings left him in shock.

Of the 140,000 people in the region who had received a jab having been classed as priority medical workers, thousands appeared to have no links with the healthcare industry.

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After the authorities in Italy’s Puglia region asked Antonio La Scala to conduct an audit of everyone who had been given a coronavirus vaccine, the findings left him in shock.

Of the 140,000 people in the region who had received a jab having been classed as priority medical workers, thousands appeared to have no links with the healthcare industry.

“We could immediately see the numbers didn’t add up . . . Puglia doesn’t have this many healthcare workers,” La Scala, head of the region’s medical inspection unit, said of his research carried out in mid-February.

“We cross referenced the data with social security information and found there were many people getting doses with no right to them: friends of friends, associates, parents,” said the 52-year-old dubbed the “007 of vaccines” by the local press for his investigative skills.

Puglia is perhaps the most vivid example of the dysfunctional vaccination rollout that has plagued the EU’s third-largest economy since Covid-19 jabs became available early in the year. As of the end of last week, 98 per cent of people in Puglia aged 70-79 were still waiting for a first dose, along with almost half of over 80s.'

@Cornettoninja

No they haven’t

I think they might do at some point depending on how they get through this wave but we’re still approximately 13k higher than them overall. It’s very frustrating how no country seems to be learning lessons from one another the whole way through this thing. A lot of mainland Europe seemed to get complacent when they maintained highish numbers for a few weeks instead of seeking to lower them further.

They have. Deaths per million in Italy is very slightly higher than the U.K.
This is potentially a more relevant statistic than total deaths, depending on what you are measuring. Their death rate is higher.

sorry- that's a mess.

@Cornettoninja

No they haven’t

I think they might do at some point depending on how they get through this wave but we’re still approximately 13k higher than them overall. It’s very frustrating how no country seems to be learning lessons from one another the whole way through this thing. A lot of mainland Europe seemed to get complacent when they maintained highish numbers for a few weeks instead of seeking to lower them further.

If you measure deaths per million of population, yes they have.

@Cornettoninja Yes they have. You need to look at the stats in relation to the population. Its pointless looking at the overall deaths per country. It needs to be per 1 M of the population to make any sense.

Ah, fair enough @QuitMoaning, that’s not what I was reading at all. Although there isn’t much in it between our total populations, 8/9k approximately.

And Italy also has a huge number of new cases which will ultimately translate into more deaths.

Cornettoninja
No they haven’t

Yes they have on deaths per million 1,881 compared to our 1,864.

Thank heavens for our vacination programe working so effectively, our figures are down week on week now.

@MaMaLa321 So many of the elderly have missed out on vaccines because people lied and jumped the queue?

France I can understand because of the vaccine hesitancy :-(

Yes, its awful, but I've always thought figures would level out across countries no matter what approach we take. As for believing that China has 3 deaths per million population and India has 133, what a joke!

That’s awful, I can’t understand how no one noticed that there were suddenly so many ‘healthcare workers’, and so many elderly people still waiting is just horrendous. I’m a vaccinator and I vaccinated healthy 30 year olds yesterday, I’ve just been reading that our rates of infection are now stable despite opening up with rates in the elderly plummeting here whilst in Italy they are sitting on a time bomb. Awful

It's very sad, but provably inevitable. Vaccines must be used strategically to have the maximum effect on cases and deaths. Parts of the US are starting to see surges again as well, so I'm expecting the US to get close or even overtake us in the next few weeks/months.

My MIL is in France, she’s been told all sorts of nonsense about the vaccines by various people - luckily she ignored it all but not everyone will so they will probably have a huge problem too.

Puglia is perhaps the most vivid example of the dysfunctional vaccination rollout that has plagued the EU’s third-largest economy

If there's one thing the U.K. is good at, it's queuing, and being fair. Even, it seems, virtual queuing.

I am massively relieved we are doing well with vaccination take up and rollout, not smug but breathing a sigh of relief to have got this far.

I wouldnt say that.
There has been a lot of q jumping and corruption
Gp giving him and wife both doses
Nhs staff sharing multiple links
Gp giving their mates the spares
The unpaid carers being abused.
And the wrongs of being down to 20yo while 45+ wait extra weeks.
The asthmatics being removed from the list (but mild asthma being done in some areas)

S. Africa & Latin America are still worst affected by covid pandemic when you consider how generally young their populations are and the fact they have so few care homes. Europe is very vulnerable to covid specifically due to great health care systems keeping many elderly alive, and lots of care homes in this region.

This has popped up on my newsfeed and hasn't seen it reported nationally that is supposedly twice as deadly as the Kent variant. These 'super' variants are no doubt the reason the government is still preaching caution whilst almost everybody is expecting the vaccines to do the heavy lifting.

www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/new-nigerian-covid-strain-thats-5283063

@Cornettoninja

No they haven’t

I think they might do at some point depending on how they get through this wave but we’re still approximately 13k higher than them overall. It’s very frustrating how no country seems to be learning lessons from one another the whole way through this thing. A lot of mainland Europe seemed to get complacent when they maintained highish numbers for a few weeks instead of seeking to lower them further.

They also report the deaths differently which inflates the figures. We changed us which knocked thousands off, if we measured the same as Italy we'd be around 140k deaths.

And France now has 100,000s more cases than the UK now but far fewer deaths. Has there been any clear evidence recently as to why this is the case? Older population in UK, or the disastrous care home situation (inc discharging people from hospital back to their homes whilst still covid positive)?

@TimmyOnTheBrain

Yes, its awful, but I've always thought figures would level out across countries no matter what approach we take. As for believing that China has 3 deaths per million population and India has 133, what a joke!

I agree