People Refusing Astra Zeneca - What Happens?

[Nootkah]

I've seen an increasing number of people on here and on social media saying they'll go to their mass vaccination centre appointment but if it's Astea Zeneca, they'll refuse. I'm curious as to what actually happens next? They've had an appointment, been offered a vaccine that remains approved for their group, and have declined. Are they "ticked off" the list as "offered" or do they stay at the top of the list for upcoming appointments and continue to be invited?

Those who dont want the vaccine can take their chances with the virus and build immunity the natural way.

In a few weeks time I might see if there's any end of day cancellation spares. I'd love to bring forward the date of my second jab.
I doubt there will be though. The panic over this extremely rare clot (more commonly caused by covid itself) has conveniently happened during a period of supply shortages.

[quote Nofriend]@LemonRoses thanks for clarifying, will be interesting to see what happens here. I’m holding off having my second at the moment as the cases and knowledge is emerging Day by day.[/quote]
I was quite happy to go with O-AZ to be honest and would have turned up for my second dose.

"I think its ridiculous that you can't find out before you book which centres have which vaccines so you can make an informed choice."

A friend of mine works in a big vaccine hub and says that they don't usually know which vaccine they're getting until the van turns up and they open the boxes. Which is sometimes after the first vaccinees arrive.

I don't know why you need to know what they've got.

I don't know why you need to know what they've got
Maybe have a little read of the thread then

People can refuse what they like but (with the exception of being advised by their GP to avoid a specific one for medical reasons) they should forfeit their place. If we wait for every bloody 50 something with health anxiety to get their first choice we’ll never get the rest of the population done. And while before the conversation was very much focused on vaccinating the vulnerable so it wouldn’t matter if it took a long time to get down to the 30 and 20 somethings, that seems to have shifted to vaccinating all adults before normal life can resume, so it’s critical to stay on schedule.

Unless you have a valid reason not to have a specific one, if you refuse the one you're offered.... you don't get one at all. Easy

@Nootkah

Blood clots from Covid 19 vaccines are 0.0004% probability & risk from contraceptive pill is 0.05%. One has caused uproar; other is seen as accepted / necessary risk. This uproar seems f*cked up!

@XiCi

I don't know why you need to know what they've got Maybe have a little read of the thread then

Don't be so rude: I've been reading and posting on this thread. There's no good reason for most people to choose/refuse one vaccine over another.

@user1497873278

I’m allergic to morphine does anyone know if that is a reason why I can’t have a certain vaccine

If you have reactions to multiple classes of drugs then you'll be advised not to have Pfizer. But if it's only morphine you're allergic to it should not be a problem with any of the vaccines. They will usually ask about allergies before giving the vaccine and if not then you can just mention it to them, they should be able to tell you if you can have it or not.

@IstandwithJackieWeaver

I don't know why you need to know what they've got.

I believe its called informed consent. Its quite a big concept in medicine.

Justa47
You have absolutely no idea if that is correct so although I totally respect that you can have your opinion please do not spread false information.
The blood clot data you quote for the pill is a KNOWN fact, established over time over a sample size of millions with a full range of ages, ethnicity and potential other conditions that interact.
The statistic you quote for the AZ vaccine is based on a sample of mostly over 60’s. The amount of younger people who have had AZ is very small. In Europe, where AZ was originally not given to over 60 as they did feel the efficacy data was there and so it was only given to younger front line workers, they started flagging issues almost immediately. The facts are there has a side effect with this vaccine ... they know it causes rare blood clots that can be fatal. They know it seem to effect under 50 more and they think it may effect women more than men. That’s it .... that’s all they know and even they aren’t pretending otherwise. in ANY OTHER drug trial, it would be pulled until further tests and data and research was undertaken .... that is a fact. You can google previous trials and the criteria for halting them. It’s published fact.

If we wait for every bloody 50 something with health anxiety to get their first choice we’ll never get the rest of the population done.

What evidence do you have that this is happening? Most of the people worrying about which vaccine on MN seem to be under 50s. I'm not minimising their concerns, just frustrated at yet another possibly ill-informed comment knocking the over 50s.

I'd heard that vaccine take up in the over 50s was very high. Is that not correct? It seems logical to me that it will be younger people who are less vulnerable to COVID who will be lukewarm about the vaccine.

@LemonRoses - no need for the facetiousness. When you go for the vaccine you are asked about allergies and reactions to other vaccines. The goal is to vaccinate as many adults as possible. I would rather have had the Pfizer Biontech because the efficacy is marginally higher, however I am glad to have had the vaccine at this stage.

I wasn’t being facetious. Informed consent is important. It’s a big deal. If you aren’t given full facts you cannot give consent. No healthcare professional should be giving vaccines without obtaining informed consent. That means telling people which vaccine it is.

You can be told when you get there?
Your choice to refuse but also no need to waste time and resource persuading you
To be honest I think most people going for their second vaccine accept the basic point that if they didn't have an adverse reaction first time round them they will be fine

Centres don't always know which vaccine they'll have on the say. Soon there will be 4 vaccines. So only 1 in 4 chance of AZ

Two different surveys have said despite the AZ possible link to clots briefings take up is only expected to drop 2% across all age groups. People are still very keen to get jabbed as quickly as possible. So if some people now prefer to wait it shouldn't affect the vaccination program to greatly.

I think some people just need a little more time to digest the facts and make sure they are correct. Only if people book appointments then leave if AZ or something olis that an issue. I am willing to have whatever they give me but realise some people worry more.

@Torvean

Centres don't always know which vaccine they'll have on the say. Soon there will be 4 vaccines. So only 1 in 4 chance of AZ

No it would still depend on the volumes they have of each

What evidence do you have that this is happening? Most of the people worrying about which vaccine on MN seem to be under 50s. I'm not minimising their concerns, just frustrated at yet another possibly ill-informed comment knocking the over 50s.

I have no evidence it’s happening, I said “if”. It wasn’t intended to bash the over 50s but you surely understand the frustration some younger people feel seeing their vaccination date receding further and further into the future while there is thread after thread of “wish I hadn’t had the AZ vaccine”, “not going to get my second dose of AZ” etc. from those who have had theirs who are primarily over 50.

People have the right to decline an injection that they don’t believe is safe.

They shouldn’t be punished for that and should be allowed to have the Pfizer as soon as is possible.

@ThornAmongstRoses

People have the right to decline an injection that they don’t believe is safe.

They shouldn’t be punished for that and should be allowed to have the Pfizer as soon as is possible.

People can decline, preferably before turning up to appointment, but it looks like a few are getting Pfizer as first / second based on specific medical advice not anxiety over it.

I would still rather have the AZ vaccine as I think it’s been more scrutinised. All vaccines have rare side effects

We genuinely don’t know about any long term effects of mRNA vaccines. We are hanging our hats on “highly unlikely”. This really concerns me giving we are mass vaccinating younger people