Vaccine roll out slowing down :(

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/england-covid-vaccine-programme-could-slow-sharply-sage-warns

Just as our turn is about to come, the vaccine roll out is slowing right down.

And I doubt they will move the dates of easing and lifting the lockdown rules that are planned to take place in May and June even if they don’t hit their vaccination targets - as they said they would. Their past performance has proved how slow they are to react and when they reacted it was far too late.

I want this lockdown over and done with, we can’t afford any more mistakes, everyone has had enough.

@Tealightsandd

America's going fast it seems. Their target is for all adults over 18 to be offered a vaccine by 19 April. Their population is around 350 million.

Yes, I'm in the US and vaccines open up to all over 16s in my state tomorrow - my 17yo and 19yo are both getting their vaccines this week.

The quantity of doses coming through to the state each week seems to be increasing exponentially. It jumped nearly 50% last week.

I get it OP the Mr told me this today and it's just "oh"

We knew rollout would slow down but it might be a wait from May-ish to July-ish maybe.

It's just another thing that was sort of indicated was going to happen and is now uncertain again.

I live in hope that with other vaccines being approved hopefully (Moderna...) It's a temporary blip.

Moderna is due to arrive next week, which will be for first doses.

I think Johnson and Johnson is awaiting approval.

Plus Pfizer and AZ said supply will ramp up in May.

A slow month is shit, but the UK is in an amazing position

Cases should drop due to the weather regardless of more vaccine roll out.

It's annoying but hang in there. Most countries in the world have vaccinated less than 5% of their population and over 60% of UK adults are at least partially protected.

I am also a bit nervous about stuff opening up before I've been vaccinated. I certainly won't be going to the pub or to restaurants until I have had my vaccine, no matter how long I have to wait.

I swear I must read different news to the half of mumsnet. The slowdown this month has been widely reported, likewise the pick up in May. We’ve just had a four day bank holiday. The moderna jabs have just arrived and can only be used for first injections. The plan is, and always has been, to vaccinate all adults by the end of July. That has not changed.

I too am very concerned about this. No one seems to be talking about it! Why? Simply Boris is hoping that all the new easing measures, whether it's too cold to sit in someone's garden etc, divert peoples attention away from this important issue?

They did say that there may be a shortage this month also they are having to do the 2 nd vaccinations as well.

@Oblomov21

I too am very concerned about this. No one seems to be talking about it! Why? Simply Boris is hoping that all the new easing measures, whether it's too cold to sit in someone's garden etc, divert peoples attention away from this important issue?

It's been very clear in the press that first jabs would slow down in April. So yes, it's been talked about plenty.

@Oblomov21

I too am very concerned about this. No one seems to be talking about it! Why? Simply Boris is hoping that all the new easing measures, whether it's too cold to sit in someone's garden etc, divert peoples attention away from this important issue?

Easing measures was based on 1-9 categories being offered the 1st dose not every adult, which has happened. Its never been reported that all adults won't be offered by July which was said originally. Its been widely reported several times that April would see a dip In 1st doses whilst 2nd doses are prioritised. Not sure what their Is to talk about really, we got ahead of the game and now we're probably back on the original time frame.

Originally it was just April that was going to be slow for 1st doses but they are now saying supplies will be an issue until at least June. Who knows where this puts that latter stages of the roadmap.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/england-covid-vaccine-programme-could-slow-sharply-sage-warns?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

I think the OP was talking about the slowdown on top of the slowdown that we were told about. Yesterday they revised the estimate of expected daily doses downwards by 500k. So that will make a difference. It's good that Moderna has arrived. Apparently it's arrived in Scotland too (though they've not started using it yet) so I'd assume it's also in England?

@HolmeH and @bravefox but I really like Boomtown- and Boomtown for the 40+ only sounds bloody great! (Sorry is that too flippant?!!)

Everyone I know who has had their first dose is going for their second dose in the April. It's not surprising then that people getting first doses might slow down for a while. It's bound to go in little waves like that.

@Tryingtryingandtrying

Flu is a higher risk to under 45s than Covid. So unless you feel the same about annual. Flu vaccines, statistically you are safer as there is no longer very much flu circulating at all..

In my rl, I seem to be surrounded by medically vulnerable people under 45. So in my head I make plans with under45s, and then have to rethink them unfortunately.

@Tryingtryingandtrying

Flu is a higher risk to under 45s than Covid. So unless you feel the same about annual. Flu vaccines, statistically you are safer as there is no longer very much flu circulating at all..

In what way, specifically?

Risk of dying if you catch it must be minuscule for both. For an individual.

Risk of being ill-in-bed-feel-like-you’re-dying might be similar between flu and covid?

Probability of catching it plus probability of feeling very ill though? Given the chance of catching it if we all go back to normal? I would have thought that’s a much much higher risk with covid vs flu.

The news has changed from the under 50s being offered jabs in April a few weeks back to now getting one who knows when...
I work in a school, children in 2 different schools..there were cases in school for the 2.5 weeks we were back before Easter. So this does feel like a big deal and still feeling very much at risk...

@Lalalablahblahblah

All the PP saying that we've all been told about the slowdown. Sure. But now there appears to be a longer more severe slowdown. Under 50s were told by the media to expect their first jabs by Easter, then we were told that April would be about 2nd jabs so 40s to 50s should expect May, now if you read that article it looks like it's more likely to be June or July. That's a pretty significant difference. And everyone saying Moderns has arrived, yes but only a few thousand, bit enough to make a big difference to numbers (and only in Wales atm anyway)

This is the issue. Not the April slowdown but the prospect of a much longer delay for under 50s now seems to be likely. It's stupid to say under 50s are at less risk of illness, as if they are some sort of homogenous group. There will be many in their late 40s who are less healthy than others in their 50s but who don't have a recognised condition. Also don't forget the increased risk for menopausal women.

I think OP is talking about something that was announced yesterday and has been all over the headlines for about 20 hours!

GPOnline included - the vaccines per day chart helps put it into perspective.

www.gponline.com/uk-covid-19-vaccination-programme-tracker/article/1704726

I’m happy with the vaccine roll out programme. I’m 41, v low risk. My 71 yo mum, t1 diabetic sister, brother with crohns and SIL care home worker all have their second jabs booked in over the next 2 weeks.

I think that’s amazing.

@Lalalablahblahblah

All the PP saying that we've all been told about the slowdown. Sure. But now there appears to be a longer more severe slowdown. Under 50s were told by the media to expect their first jabs by Easter, then we were told that April would be about 2nd jabs so 40s to 50s should expect May, now if you read that article it looks like it's more likely to be June or July. That's a pretty significant difference. And everyone saying Moderns has arrived, yes but only a few thousand, bit enough to make a big difference to numbers (and only in Wales atm anyway)

The key phrase there is “told by the media” the government never said that. The media make shit up to sell papers, then when the shit they make up doesn’t materialise, they make up more shit, everyone knows this.

Yes I’m talking about the slow down on top on the slow down. Boris initially said everyone will be jabbed by July, now they are saying there will be delays between April and July. And no I haven’t been living under the rock and I have been following the news about April being a slow month, but now they are saying that the slow down is going to be much longer than expected.
I hope that the success/slowing down of the rolling out of the vaccine will be taken into account when they do further easing of the lockdown, somehow I have very little confidence they will.
There’s no point rushing into opening up for the sake of an extra month or two if that’s going to make our country more robust to outbreaks and hospitalisation.

@HolmeH

Ahhh. COVID passports aren’t just for the vaccinated 🥴 Will people please read what is actually being said! It’s EITHER a vaccine OR a negative test OR proof of antibodies. So all the under 50’s can still rock up at festivals so long as they test!

Taken form the Gov UK website

Over the coming months, a system will be developed which will take into account three factors: vaccination, a recent negative test, or natural immunity (determined on the basis of a positive test taken in the previous six months).

Events pilots will take place from mid-April to trial the system. All pilots are checking Covid status, initially this will be through testing alone but in later pilots vaccination and acquired immunity are expected to be alternative ways to demonstrate status.

@HolmeH

Ahhh. COVID passports aren’t just for the vaccinated 🥴 Will people please read what is actually being said! It’s EITHER a vaccine OR a negative test OR proof of antibodies. So all the under 50’s can still rock up at festivals so long as they test!

Oh that's ok then. Because testing is non-invasive and easy

According to the Times this stupid government wants vaccine passport for SHOPS!

I am not testing or showing proof of my vaccine status just to go into somewhere like John Lewis.

I prefer online shopping anyway, I guess I'll just carry on. Bye bye high street,.

There’s no point rushing into opening up for the sake of an extra month or two if that’s going to make our country more robust to outbreaks and hospitalisation

I agree. And while at the age of 49 I am fairly keen to get the vaccine myself, I also want to know that student-age people are being vaccinated before universities go back in the autumn so they can have a normal student life (and get what they are paying for - £9K is not a reasonable amount to pay to be stuck in your bedroom watching video lectures).

The government needs to be much clearer on roll-out plans and delay the wider reopening in May (and definitely removal of all restrictions in June) if necessary.