Anyone else regretting their choice to get vaccinated?

[onthetracks]

I had my first vaccine 4 weeks ago (AZ)
I was really put off my having it and didn’t feel 100% happy, but since I’m clinically vulnerable to Covid and I also look after my elderly grandmother who is Clinically extremely l vulnerable, i thought it was the right thing to do.

Since having the vaccine I read no end of negative reports, side effects, blood clots and now deaths.

I’m terrified that I’m going to develop a blood clot and die.

I know this may sound irrational, which is surprising for me as I’m usually able to rationalise things.
But I can’t help feeling that it’s all been a bit rushed.
We’re all so desperate for normal life that we’ve jumped at the chance to be injected with something that we don’t actually know is safe.

Only now that millions of people are having the vaccine are we being alerted to adverse effects.

I’m really starting to regret that I’ve had the vaccine and I honestly don’t think I will go for my 2nd jab. 😣

@LostToucan

Sorry - those were the England stats.

Although over a similar time period Scotland administered around 60,000 jabs, Northern Ireland 25,000, and Wales reached 70,000 by 10th January.

Whats this irreversible change to the body the vaccine causes?

Anyway...in case it's not obvious.

Zero regrets, will get my 2nd vaccination as soon as possible.

To me, if the choice is between the current shit existence and taking a low risk vaccine then I'll take the vaccine. The way things are right now isn't living, it's existing.

I guess this varies from person to person because I’m perfectly happy with life right now. I don’t need the vaccine to make my life better.

@MRex
Thank you. Yes, I’d also read that ‘general’ thrombosis is lower in the vaccinated population too. I’ve also read an interesting theory that Thrombocytopenia as a rare side effect may be caused by contracting actual Covid immediately before or after having the jab but as Thrombocytopenia seems at the moment to be linked to AZ and not Pfizer I’m not sure how that could be. As I mentioned I would still like some actual stats in the

@Shitzngiggles

Whats this irreversible change to the body the vaccine causes?

Antibodies against a severe disease called covid-19.

@pinkearedcow the vaccines have been given approval for emergency use only.

That isn’t the same as full approval and they have not been in development for the length of time necessary for that to happen.

There is effectively no data for medium and long term outcomes.

And just to say, the bullying comments and shouts of ‘stupid’ and ‘selfish’ do absolutely nothing to make people feel safer. If anything it’s likely to make people feel backed into a corner and shut down. If you really want to help people understand that something is safe then do what people like @MRex is doing and patiently explain, using stats to back to what you are saying.

@partyatthepalace
I totally get the place you are coming from and I can sense your frustration but I still don’t think that calling people with genuine concerns ‘selfish idiots’ will bring them on board and may actually deter them from taking their jab

@Boringlynormal

To me, if the choice is between the current shit existence and taking a low risk vaccine then I'll take the vaccine. The way things are right now isn't living, it's existing.

I guess this varies from person to person because I’m perfectly happy with life right now. I don’t need the vaccine to make my life better.

You might be happy not being able to see friends and family indoors, being told how many people we can see at once, not going for a meal, no concerts, no overseas holidays and basically staring at the same 4 walls but I'm not. I just hope there's enough uptake of the vaccine to get life back to normal.

[quote YoshimisMum]@MRex
Thank you. Yes, I’d also read that ‘general’ thrombosis is lower in the vaccinated population too. I’ve also read an interesting theory that Thrombocytopenia as a rare side effect may be caused by contracting actual Covid immediately before or after having the jab but as Thrombocytopenia seems at the moment to be linked to AZ and not Pfizer I’m not sure how that could be. As I mentioned I would still like some actual stats in the

I want to know what the risk is as a woman in my 30s, not what the generalised risk is for people of any age or gender as this hasn’t been seen in older people so the 30 in 17 million tells me very little about my personal risk.

Yes, exactly.

I don't think information will be made public at the moment @Boringlynormal because of the small numbers of people involved - that sort of detail could be identifying.

But it has been in Germany? And people who died of Covid in the early days had their deaths and underlying conditions splashed all over the news. Plus tbh surely it’s in the public interests? Not releasing it just makes me feel they have something to hide.

[quote MarcsBlondePussy]@onthetracks....you coming back OP????? Thought NOT[/quote]
@MarcsBlondePussy

Still here

I’ve got to say, it’s quite an interesting experience being called an anti vaxxer as a fully vaccinated person with fully vaccinated on schedule kids AND a Covid vaccinated husband and having just had a Covid vaccine myself. If I’m honest, it actually makes me wonder how many people I’ve dismissed under this category who just had genuine concerns, however scientific or not.

@MRex yes I'm aware of that but I don't think that's what the poster was alluding to. I was interested to know what the poster does mean. FWIW I've had both doses, AZ and no regrets.

@Boringlynormal

I want to know what the risk is as a woman in my 30s, not what the generalised risk is for people of any age or gender as this hasn’t been seen in older people so the 30 in 17 million tells me very little about my personal risk.

Yes, exactly.

I don't think information will be made public at the moment @Boringlynormal because of the small numbers of people involved - that sort of detail could be identifying.

But it has been in Germany? And people who died of Covid in the early days had their deaths and underlying conditions splashed all over the news. Plus tbh surely it’s in the public interests? Not releasing it just makes me feel they have something to hide.

Did they specify the underlying conditions and other potentially identifying details in the early days of covid? For example, I looked for the first ever death which was the most likely to be splashed across the news and it was reported with few details:

"The UK patient, who was described as “older” and with underlying health conditions, had been “in and out of hospital for non-coronavirus reasons” before being tested and found positive for the virus."

www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m943

Whether the media subsequently grubbed around for further details is another matter. As I said, normally details wouldn't be given when numbers involved were small because of the risk of identifying the person (I used to work in a slightly related field). It's not a cover up IMHO, but I think you are not going to be persuaded otherwise!

No- not in the slightest!

@MRex
Thank you again. It's so reassuring that the British Society for Haematology are actively assessing this and hopefully more will be known shortly - it's a flaw? with me - I function better when true facts/stats are known. I do appreciate with such rare events this is nigh on impossible at the moment

b-s-h.org.uk/about-us/news/guidance-produced-from-the-expert-haematology-panel-ehp-focussed-on-syndrome-of-thrombosis-and-thrombocytopenia-occurring-after-coronavirus-vaccination/

b-s-h.org.uk/media/19512/guidance-version-10-on-mngmt-of-thrombosis-with-thrombocytopenia-occurring-after-c-19-vaccine_20210401.pdf

But it has been in Germany? And people who died of Covid in the early days had their deaths and underlying conditions splashed all over the news. Plus tbh surely it’s in the public interests? Not releasing it just makes me feel they have something to hide.

I'm very uncomfortable about any medical information being made public. At the beginning I told DH that if I died from Covid under no circumstances was my name or pictures to be made public. I have no idea if that's possible but if not it's disgraceful.

I really don't care what Germany has done, they are hardly looking good in the vaccine roll out. There is no way, with such a small amount of people affected, that any potentially identifying information should be made public.

[quote YoshimisMum]@partyatthepalace
I totally get the place you are coming from and I can sense your frustration but I still don’t think that calling people with genuine concerns ‘selfish idiots’ will bring them on board and may actually deter them from taking their jab [/quote]
@YoshimisMum

You do have a point. I think the fact vaccine passports are coming and people are going to have to have them has taken my breaks off.

You know what definitely does cause blood clots? Covid

Re doctors preferring Pfizer:

1. This is as much or more likely to be due to Pfizer's better efficacy than due to safety concerns, and is likely a measure of how much doctors want to be protected against covid.

1. It therefore doesn't tell us anything at all about what those exact same doctors would do faced with a choice between AZ and no vaccine, rather than a choice between AZ and Pfizer.

I understand and share the current day to day anxiety of some people who've recently had the jab who are waiting to get to 20 days, while simultaneously understanding the numbers and that the risk is tiny. It's possible and I would say quite natural to find oneself experiencing that anxiety and that knowledge at once.

It's like being one of millions of people walking through a vast forest in which we now know there are a few dozen wolves, randomly located. I know it's safer to walk through the forest to get to the other side, than to stay on this (the unvaccinated) side. I know the chances of me being one of the people to run into a wolf are tiny. But walking through the forest is now more stressful, and I just want to be safely out the other side. The rustling I can hear is almost certainly just birds (like that twinge of pain in my head is almost certainly not anything related to a clot), but it's still making me feel jumpy.

Humans are wired to be alert to danger and it's not something we can just switch off (otherwise we wouldn't jump when watching a scary film even though we know intellectually it's just actors). The AZ news, because it's a changing situation involving a danger, has triggered that wiring for a lot of people, making the post AZ vaccine experience understandably more stressful than it was a few weeks ago. Knowing intellectually that the vaccine was still the best choice doesn't just switch those feelings off.

What would be more reassuring than people just saying "it's safe, there are no wolves, there are hardly any, don't be selfish" would be the government saying "it's ok, in the enormously unlikely event that you run into a wolf, we're ready to help you fight it, oh and we're looking really hard into which people the wolves like eating most, and if we see a pattern we'll start sending those people through a different forest".

I can't at the moment see any reason not to have my second AZ vaccine, but I'm not expecting to particularly enjoy the three weeks afterwards. Hopefully the AZ news will at least have stopped changing as much by then though, and it will be a stable minute risk to accept, rather than one that seems to be changing day to day as it is at the moment.

Had mine a couple of weeks ago and I don’t regret it at all. I’d have it again in a heartbeat if necessary.

@User5485421134 - "DH is a doctor (I know posters are going to accuse me of lying so believe what you will) but it's well known in medical circles that doctors do not want AZ for themselves or their close family members. Given the choice, every single doctor has taken Pfizer. Many have used personal connections to get their family vaccinated with Pfizer as well."

I completely disagree and felt the need to respond to avoid anyone being worried by this post. It is not 'well known' IME and in our PCN, there has been no GP or acute dr we've invited who has wanted Pfizer. Some HCPs are indifferent and some preferred AZ for reasons I won't go into here but your post bears no relation to our experience of the subset of vaccinations we've administered that went to HCPs of the c13000 total vaccinations our PCN has delivered .

BTW, I had AZ as have my family members who were eligible.