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to now find this 1970s dystopian drama i watched two years ago even more chilling.

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MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 01:32

www.imdb.com/title/tt0075469/

The writer was only out by thirty odd years. I wonder what he would think if he was alive now.

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 01/04/2021 21:17

it's on youtube

www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmRu2axUu2LFrmjtsqrAICCafsGtu_yNZ

Selkiebride · 01/04/2021 22:50

I literally don't know how to read a graphic novel. I think I'm defective.

MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 23:05

YY @AlecTrevelyan006 Thats where i watched it two years ago.

My thread from then.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3567778-BBC-1977-78-dystopian-drama-1990-1984-SIX-Written-by-Wilfred-Greatorexx

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MercyBooth · 01/04/2021 23:09

eofftvreview.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/1990-1977-1978/

1990 (1977-1978)
Posted on 26 September 2018 by Kevin Lyons

"Dystopian futures were all the vogue on British television in the 1970s. Everything from The Guardians (1971) to Terry Nation’s post-apocalyptic Survivors (1975-1977), from episodes of children’s shows like The Tomorrow People (1973-1979) to hit space opera Blake’s 7 (1978-1981) and more Plays for Today (1970-1984) and Tomorrow (1982) than you can shake a stick at took a jaundiced view of our possible futures. One of the BBC’s most ambitious such undertakings was Wilfred Greatorex’s 1990 which ran for two series between 18 September 1977 and 10 April 1978.

Edward Woodward stars as journalist Jim Kyle on the last independent newspaper left in the country, The Star. The Britain he reports on is under the tyrannical heel of the Home Office’s Public Control Department (PCD), an oppressive bureaucracy that has risen to power on the back o f a huge financial disaster. Civil liberties are a thing of the past, draconian laws punish everything from the most petty to the most serious of crimes with the same severity and dissidents are confined to “Adult Rehabilitation Centres.”

Kyle decides to make a stand and fight back against the PCD, headed by Controller Herbert Skardon (Robert Lang) while becoming romantically involved with PCD Deputy Controller Delly Lomas (Barbara Kellerman) – the second series saw the return of Lynn Blake (Lisa Harrow), Kyle’s former lover, and along the way he’s aided by fellow dissidents Dave Brett (Tony Doyle) and mysterious government informer “Faceless” (Paul Hardwick).

Greatorex had created the hugely popular business skulduggery dramas The Plane Makers (1963-1965) and its sequel The Power Game (1965-1969) for ITV and the BBC lured him over to their camp to create 1990 to reflect some of the great public and political concerns of the day. Describing the series as “1984 Plus Six“, Greatorex artfully extrapolated a nightmarish near-future while rarely getting on his soap box, delivering his potent messages about the misuse of power and the horror of an out of control bureaucracy that seems to answer to no-one in the guise of a mature, thoughtful and always engrossing drama. He drip-feeds the audience what they need to know about how Britain reached this sorry state, the back story emerging through dialogue rather than delivered in indigestible, stodgy lumps as was all too often the way. Greatorex trusted his audience to keep up and pay attention.

The relationship between the two protagonists, the idealistic and determined Kyle and the Big Brother-ish Skardon, forms the core of the ongoing story and the performances from both Woodward and Lang were key to keeping the audience engaged. They rose to the occasion magnificently and, gifted some cracking dialogue from Greatorex and fellow writers Edmund Ward, Arden Winch and Jim Hawkins (various episodes were directed by former Hammer directors Alan Gibson and Peter Sasdy) , turn in superb performances. These, and the large and ever-changing supporting cast, are characters with real depth and the increasing frustrations and dangers that present themselves to Kyle as he struggles to break the PCD’s grip of the country feel very real and absorbing. It’s not a fun series – it’s bleak and often despairing but always with a glimmer o hope, mainly thanks to the strident, unflappable Kyle who never for a second doubts that what he’s trying to do is both right and achievable.

For many years, 1990 existed only in the memories of those who were glued to Kyle’s struggle each week back at the end of the 1970s with only a pair of paperback novelisations to help prompt recall of the details. Thankfully, both series were released on DVD by Simply Media in 2017, bringing the series back into the limelight. It’s not only stood the test of time but passed it with honours – at times it still seems horribly relevant and there are moments here that seem to be being played out on our television news programmes on an almost daily basis. For dystopian fiction there can be few higher – or more depressing – accolades."

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Againstmachine · 02/04/2021 06:22

Just for interest the Blair government actually had already started the process of rolling back those hard fought for civil liberties.

I don't follow any party but off topic it's interesting people worry about the Tory's privatising the NHS, Labour promoted PFI contracts which were used a lot by the NHS which are a form of privatisation by the back door.

Roonerspismed · 02/04/2021 06:32

The latest crime bill is what scares me the most: we won’t even manage to protest.

The only way against this is not to vote Tory. Not that many on here ever did.

Starmer now has my vote - and I don’t even like the man

Againstmachine · 02/04/2021 06:37

I wouldn't vote Labour either as they have also been very keen at taking liberties away during this.

When you end up with dystopias, it doesn't happen all at once as people wouldn't accept that, so it is done bit by bit.

nannynick · 02/04/2021 06:39

1984 - free audiobook on YouTube from Steve Parker who is a great creator of audiobooks:
m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUpMsam3SUi4pqtkARrRX4FaClE8HU35H

nannynick · 02/04/2021 06:46

Is 1990 available as an audiobook?

TheReluctantPhoenix · 02/04/2021 06:46

The dystopian features of today’s society are nothing to do with COVID and, in general, embraced by most on here.

Thought crime is now real AKA ‘hate crime’. The state now has a right to (try to) examine your thoughts and punish more severely if you disagree with the the prevailing tide.

Our lives are now monitored pretty much 24/7 via cameras and our phones. And, of course, most don’t object as it helps catch ‘bad people’ and ‘if you have nothing to hide, it is not a problem’.

All of the above was foreseen by Orwell and has nothing to do with COVID. To be honest, about the only good thing about our surveillance society is that it can be used to keep the population safer during a pandemic.

And, this is nothing like that series (as described). The properly rich have pretty much retained all their freedoms. They have properties abroad, which they can travel to ‘maintain’, private jet flights have hardly declined since the start of the pandemic and, as seen in the case of Rita Ora, restaurants will still open for parties (I suspect this happened lots but she was the only one stupid enough to get caught).

OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/04/2021 08:45

I don't feel that at present most of the covid restrictions unnecessarily overly authoritarian, though some are. But the policing bill going through parliament has me deeply alarmed. In fact, anything that seems to go through the Home Office has me very disturbed.

Ephe17 · 02/04/2021 09:03

[quote dividedwefall]@Ephe17 It is really something to watch the technique in action, live. Why can't people see and feel it? The propaganda seems so obvious to me. Every unnatural 3 word slogan grates on my brain.

In fact every time Gove, Boris or anyone else in the inner circle says something won't/can't/shouldn't/mustn't happen I feel a sense of impending doom as it always signals the beginning of a subliminal marketing campaign to bring that very thing about.[/quote]
I first recognised government propaganda in the months before the Gulf War. The weapons of mass destruction mantra really really grated on me. I was one of a million who marched to stop the war but our massive peaceful protest was dismissed by Bliar by the end of that day.

Nearly 20 years on and propaganda is EVERYWHERE. I cancelled terrestrial TV nearly a year ago. I don't have a twitter account or follow FB. Why subject yourself to constant FEAR propaganda?

The truth is out there but not in the MSM.
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare.

People don't even realise that those who oppose the party line are cancelled off platforms like twitter and YT.
rumble.com/vf8fz5-dr-mike-yeadon.html

Mao, Stalin and Hitler would have loved this level of control.

AntiHop · 02/04/2021 12:34

Seriously most pp on this thread need to give their head a wobble. There is zero evidence that the government's covid response is part of some plan to permanently take away our freedoms. The measured have been fairly mild compared to some countries, and appropriate to a pandemic. The measures have been relaxed and continue to be relaxed as the situation improves.

I am much more concerned about the corruption around ths Brexit vote. There is no doubt that the vote was not fair and democratic. Brexit has opened the doors to the uk becoming more right wing - less regulation, lower taxes. This is bad for ordinary people and good for ultra rich people. I've no doubt that people who stand to benefit from Brexit helped to unfairly influence the vote.

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 12:41

@AntiHop have you been living in a cave for the past year. The measures are getting increasingly worse. Just as we reach the end of the pandemic and freedom is in sight, we are bludgeoned with the doozie of all restrictions - Vaccine Passports, or Freedom Passes as Boris once called them.

By all means deceive yourself but you will have an uphill battle to gaslight many others now they are seeing the wood for the trees finally.

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 12:41

*doozy

Motheroftwofeline · 02/04/2021 12:45

A very different sort of dystopian but also from the 70s, brilliant but highly shocking, is Threads.

I can’t believe they used to show it in schools!!

Motheroftwofeline · 02/04/2021 12:49

Where can I watch 1990? Is it on any of the streaming services?

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 12:50

@nannynick

1984 - free audiobook on YouTube from Steve Parker who is a great creator of audiobooks: m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUpMsam3SUi4pqtkARrRX4FaClE8HU35H

@Motheroftwofeline the link to it on Youtube was posted yesterday so you can watch for free
Motheroftwofeline · 02/04/2021 12:54

@dividedwefall brilliant - thank you (not sure how I missed the link originally - so focussed on the comments!!)

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 13:36

[quote Motheroftwofeline]@dividedwefall brilliant - thank you (not sure how I missed the link originally - so focussed on the comments!!)[/quote]
Sorry I gave you the wrong link

This is the one

which was also posted yesterday. I just saw the YT link and copied it without checking it was the correct one.

hamsterchump · 02/04/2021 13:49

@dividedwefall Do you know if Utopia is available to stream anywhere free at the moment?

dividedwefall · 02/04/2021 14:05

You can watch it @ daily motion www.dailymotion.com/playlist/x71kou but the quality won't be the best.

It is on Prime Video if anyone you know has that. I originally watched it on Channel 4 but I just checked and it's not on their free box sets.

sashagabadon · 02/04/2021 14:22

@Roonerspismed

The latest crime bill is what scares me the most: we won’t even manage to protest.

The only way against this is not to vote Tory. Not that many on here ever did.

Starmer now has my vote - and I don’t even like the man

Labour have been more pro lockdown than anti. They say the Government locked down too late last March, They actively demanded it , in fact their most often used critique to the government measures was that they didn’t go far enough, were too weak and had too many loopholes. They wanted the borders closed back in February! They asked for masks on public transport before anyone else and they wanted schools closed for the longest and many of their mp’s actively worked against schools opening last June! That gives you an insight into what they would have been like if in charge so thank goodness they weren’t! Keir is quite clearly hedging his bets re. Vaccine passports , waiting to see what way he should jump, no doubt frantically polling it. He should be automatically against them without hesitation imo. I don’t agree with them at all.
Sundances · 02/04/2021 14:23

I blame media - a screaming twitter thread a photo of a girl resisting arrest and even MPs are demanding Cressida dick resigns.
Extinct rebellion caused as much problems for ordinary people as they could - rent a mob take their cameramen with them, all ready to put up/ sell to the papers so numpties can scream about evil cops.
Just use what is between your ears when you see trouble in the streets - you should be asking what are they trying to gain, not why are the police having to arrest them.
Hence the new controls - those with short memories seem to have forgotten previous riots - which always get worse in the summer- the gov is trying to pre empty that .

MercyBooth · 02/04/2021 14:25

@dividedwefall I remember Utopia. I watched it at the time after a magazine gave it a good review.

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