Why are we vaccinating everyone?

[preparetheships]

This is not a goady post and I am not anti vaccine. I am genuinely wondering why we are vaccinating everyone.
The vaccine does not prevent people catching the vaccine, just reduces the symptoms and risk of being seriously ill.
Is it financially worth while vaccinating people who, most likely, will have mild symptoms if any symptoms at all. Or should we just operate a vaccination system similar to the flu vaccination scheme?
I'd be grateful for any links for further information.

For now, I guess transmission among the unvaccinated might result in vaccine resistant strains of the virus. So minimising the number of unvaccinated people as far as possible is sensible, and more cost effective longer term than repeated lockdowns.

I have not the faintest idea. It seems that the goalposts have shifted enormously on this.

The initial rhetoric was "once the over 70s have been vaccinated", then it was "once the vulnerable have been vaccinated", now it's "once the entire world has been vaccinated".

Not a clue. Anything else I can fail to help with OP?!

The more the virus spreads, the more opportunity it has to mutate. If we let it spread among young people by not vaccinating everyone, there is a chance of a vaccine resistant strain emerging which then jeopardises the vulnerable vaccinated again.

Young people may still end up with long covid so worth vaccinating them for that reason too.

Because every virus host is a reservoir of infection, and poses a risk of virus mutation.
The more people that are vaccinated, the fewer chances the virus has to mutate into a form that could evade existing vaccines.
Also, while the vast majority of younger people will not die from Covid, over a population of tens of millions that's still a lot of death, and we don't know how Long Covid could affect younger people in the long term.

We have a good idea of who will get seriously ill, but we still don't know for sure. Vaccinating everyone means people don't get seriously ill and takes that pressure off.

I suspect it will become like a flu jab and vulnerable people offered boosters every so often. But a good baseline just helps to stop it spreading.

As soon as it's my turn I'm there to get my jab.

Pretty sure it is proven that the vaccine does reduce transition? If that’s correct then it’s important as many people are vaccinated as possible?

I do feel a bit anxious about my kids being vaccinated (my dd has had severe reactions to past vaccines) but I’m am not anti vax, I have been vaccinated and due my 2nd next month.

Vaccinated so people have some sort of protection and to ease the burden on NHS. Too much is unknown about this virus and the effects so best to have protection while we can do it, but in future could morph into how we manage the flu jabs.

Also to enable us to travel abroad so we don't pass it to vulnerable people in other countries with slower vaccine rates.

Why would you not vaccinate everyone if there’s we have vaccines which stop 100% people getting a serious dose of CV? All babies get vaccinated for certain illnesses from 4 weeks old. It makes sense to vaccinate everyone.

The problem with MN OP is that you will only get links to information that support the idea of mass vaccination and anyone who attempts to give links to evidence not in favour of this will be piled on and accused of being a rabid anti vaxxer and have their post reported and deleted pronto.

I suggest you use the duck duck go search engine and have a look for articles in the BMJ, the comments section always provides useful further research pointers.

Why do we vaccinate all the children with childhood immunisation ? And what happens if big numbers of certain generation refuse to vax their children? Answer is quite clear.

I have seen similar theories that vaccinations also increase mutations (because you can still get it) so it’s not clear cut to me at all

The precautionary principle, they're now terrified of any missteps, particularly in relation to any as yet undiscovered varient that will evade the vaccines.

So we now have an excess of caution.

I'm also dismayed that the goal posts have moved.

OP the vaccine reduces transmission so reduces everyone risk, plus outside of those who are elderly or medically vulnerable those we don’t have a magic way of knowing who will have low/no symptoms and who will need hospitalisation/develop long covid etc. As we have the vaccine why wouldn’t we try to remove that doubt?

Because if you allow covid to spread amongst those people who are at much less risk of dying from it then new mutant strains will emerge that could be resistant to the vaccination. And then millions of people will die again while they race to find a new vaccine.

The impacts of long Covid are also comparatively unknown. And that's impacting many people in the "less vulnerable" categories.

Because we want to reduce cases as much as possible. You never know who will get long COVID as a result and some people don’t know about their underlying conditions yet so might get it really badly.
We don’t want virus to mutate and vaccination will help with this as was mentioned already.
Vaccination will reduce pressure on NHS. We want to resume normal functioning of health services and clear the backlog. You can look up figures on the government website. Currently the cases reduced slower than hospital admissions. (If you look in percentages) Hospital admissions and deaths go down quicker. And it’s a result of vaccination.
We won’t be able to vaccinate everyone 100% so we need to vaccinate as much as possible.

preparetheships - This is not a goady post and I am not anti vaccine. I am genuinely wondering why we are vaccinating everyone.

OK - if you say so.

The vaccine does not prevent people catching the vaccine, just reduces the symptoms and risk of being seriously ill.

No - evidence shows that it does reduce tranmission and infections.

edition.cnn.com/2021/02/03/health/astrazeneca-vaccine-transmission-gbr-intl/index.html

The vaccine does not prevent people catching the vaccine, just reduces the symptoms and risk of being seriously ill

Good Lord. Every.Fucking.Day.

Head:Desk:Head:Desk:Head:Desk.

The vaccines do prevent the vast majority of people from having symptoms, which is brilliant - although we do know that transmission is possible via asymptomatic people. To be honest, we'll only really find out how much vaccination stops transmission when we ease lockdown. However, it's looking promising within care homes.

Way I see it, it's way easier to be vigilant when vaccinated than actually getting a virus. We know or we can find out what is in the vaccine, and keep an eye to our immune response. But when if we get the actual virus, responce is unknown and varies. At least that's the way I see it, as a parent who has a child with chronic illness and multiple allergies who is willing to let the child take vaccine.

Because it's the best way the world can kick the viruses butt!

Hey while we're at it, why not bring back Measles - most people it's only mild (heck I had it and only got a few spots).
Ditto Rubella - that's even less harmful - unless you're pregnant of course, but we could just vaccinate mothers.
And polio - barely ever killed anyone!

In fact, let's just pretend that we're all f*king savages again, abandon medicine completely and go back to the f*king stone age. Then we can all celebrate dying naturally some time in our 30's if we're lucky.

Because a robust vaccination programme could eventually see this virus totally eradicated. See smallpox.

The vaccine does not prevent people catching the vaccine, just reduces the symptoms and risk of being seriously ill.

That is a factually incorrect statement.

The correct statement is

We don't know how much the vaccine prevents people catching or transmitting disease, but we do know that it reduces symptoms and risk of serious illness.

@notrub, your post made me laugh. Yes, that's what I feel when I see the posts questioning about vaccination these days.