Another 6 months?

[Moonme]

I have stuck to the rules and some but if the vaccines start working and lockdown is due to end (allegedly) in June then why do they need this?

@SunnySideAndMarmite

Just want to say, I hate this government, and everyone baying for restrictions, for taking away my dwindling fertile years. The greatest loss. A massive fuck you to the lot of them.

Huge illegal hugs to everyone who realises there are worse things in life than death.

Sorry. As you were.

You're not alone.

@SunnySideAndMarmite

Just want to say, I hate this government, and everyone baying for restrictions, for taking away my dwindling fertile years. The greatest loss. A massive fuck you to the lot of them.

Huge illegal hugs to everyone who realises there are worse things in life than death.

Sorry. As you were.

Amen

@Moonme

And if they are being told that (?) then why are the Government gearing up to re-open everything...

Because they're populists, and so much of what they do is just a pantomime for the cheap seats.

They already know there's going to be another wave, because they don't plan to do what would be necessary to stop it.

@kittensarecute

If anything delays the roadmap, I will be seriously considering taking my own life. I mean it. I can't live with these restrictions anymore.

Me too. If I didn't have DD I would have done it weeks ago. I have seen a few of your posts @kittensarecute. Know you are not alone.

Honestly if anyone at this point is still ok with lockdown then idk. No way can this carry on again this winter. I wont do it. Havent been for months.

I think the extension of powers should have been for a shorter period, so the House of Commons has to renew them. Emergency powers should be treated as such, for example although no-one expected the troubles in Northern Ireland to be a short-term matter, powers were renewed annually.

They already know there's going to be another wave, because they don't plan to do what would be necessary to stop it.

Absolutely agree with this. It is so depressing watching.

Without wishing to be accused of scaremongering this has just gone up on the Guardian live feed:

"Covid-19 vaccines do not completely prevent transmission, Prof Anthony Harnden, deputy chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has said.

He told BBC Breakfast on Sunday that while they appear to reduce transmission by about 50%, vaccinated people can still get the virus and spread it to others.

He added:

There’s some good evidence now from Public Health England and from the Oxford/AstraZeneca trials that the vaccines do prevent transmission.But they don’t completely prevent transmission. The figures are still being calculated but it’s in the order of 50%.

So, there will be some reduction in transmission, no doubt at all, but it’s still possible, even though you’ve been vaccinated, to get infected, have no symptoms and transmit it to others. That’s why it’s important that all those who get vaccinated still stick to the rules."

I think this is pertinent to the discussion, and explains somewhat the current roadmap logic.

I'm hoping that a reduction of 50% in transmission is indeed enough to stop a third wave, but only time will tell.

@MistressoftheDarkSide facts are not scaremongering. You get accused of it because many still can not wrap their heads round the complexity of this situation.

The next few months are going to be a bit grim for the unvaccinated, especially children.

I do think it makes an utter nonsense of the vaccine passport pub thing in particular though. Sounds as though social distancing is still going to be part of the way forward, much as it irks me, so hinting that pubs could dispense with it if vaccine status can be proven is pretty daft.

Thanks @Doyoumindfisithere - apprreciated.

The government are not concerned who gets it so long as they don't clog up hospitals. If you get long covid you can sink into poverty on benefits for all they care.

@Doyoumindfisithere

They already know there's going to be another wave, because they don't plan to do what would be necessary to stop it.

Absolutely agree with this. It is so depressing watching.

Isn't it?

I want a T shirt with " We coulda been New Zealand" emblazoned on it.

But in some ways it's better for people like us. We don't have hopes to be dashed.

And there are a few of us. My boss has had to field some enquiries about whether we're all coming back to the office after June 21st and the unofficial response is "Don't be daft!"

A 50% more transmissible variant vs vaccines that reduce transmission by 50% showdown doesn't sound all that promising.

Especially as there are at least two other variants waiting in the wings that we've been keeping a lid on with lockdown.

And a bunch of libertarians shouting "OPEN UP FASTER!!"