EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 2

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As the other thread is full

www.politico.eu/article/commission-proposes-six-week-vaccine-export-ban-amid-fears-of-trade-war/

Am I being a bit thick or does it sound like nothings changed?

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/25/eu-leaders-told-bloc-has-sent-21m-covid-vaccine-doses-to-the-uk

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/25/uk-diplomacy-masks-private-fury-in-covid-vaccine-row-with-eu

Nothings changed i think they going ahead with this ban.
I'm sure they will block something In the next 6 weeks or they make themselves even bigger idiots.
That statement last night is meaninglessness.
Apparently they offended by matt Hancock comments that its just contract law and UK had the better contract.

I think the az In halix in Netherlands is ours supply chain and we don't have a hope in hell of getting any az from Europe.
Pfizer I don't think they would mess with.
No idea about moderna

If I was head of novavax I would run for the hills.
If there any doubt they have production problems they know the EU won't be a calm sympathetic and patient customer.
Are they not opening up factory in the UK in teesside.

Does anyone know what the hold up is with janson or if they will go mental with them as thought they said April then read 1 article said July!

Avondklok I don't really care what your opinion is on this atm. but I do take huge offence at your flippant, crappy remarks about CEV children. They are sick and pointless.

if the issue is with Az and not the UK, then why are the EU debating restricting vaccine exports to the UK?

And why trigger Article 16? What has Article 16 got to do with AZ?

@deliciouschilli

Avondklok I don't really care what your opinion is on this atm. but I do take huge offence at your flippant, crappy remarks about CEV children. They are sick and pointless.

Someone else posted that EU were threatening their CEV child. I replied that this was nonsense.

Nobody triggered article 16 either. It was in a memo that was hastily stamped out.

Someone else posted that EU were threatening their CEV child. I replied that this was nonsense.

If Pfizer second dose is blocked by EU it’s not nonsense at all. The child is 16

I posted that I was worried my CEV child would not get her 2nd vaccine. Don't twist my words or lie, it's crap and disgusting and not needed.

EU is debating stopping vaccine exports where there is no reciprocity and better vaccine coverage. Where does it say this applies to U.K.or only U.K.?

@Avondklok

EU is debating stopping vaccine exports where there is no reciprocity and better vaccine coverage. Where does it say this applies to U.K.or only U.K.?

All MEPs have been talking about 10m to U.K. and upset nothing back

You’ll have to listen to R4 to get info

@Avondklok

Nobody triggered article 16 either. It was in a memo that was hastily stamped out.

But they threatened it as they had wild ideas of vaccines being smuggled like fags over the border from Ireland into Northern Ireland. That’s utterly bonkers that they even thought that would happen. The U.K. government aren’t illicit smugglers! And did they think the Irish government would also be in cahoots?! Even them thinking that this was a possibility is crazy. But yes they did row back when wiser heads prevailed.

@Avondklok

EU is debating stopping vaccine exports where there is no reciprocity and better vaccine coverage. Where does it say this applies to U.K.or only U.K.?

So I ask again. If the issue is a dispute with Az alone then why does the level of vaccine coverage in the recipient country matter?

If the dispute is with Az alone, then why does what the recipient country export to the EU matter?

How are either of these factors relevant to a dispute with Az?

How will blocking exports of vaccines other than Az increase the rate at which Az supplies doses to the Eu?

@Avondklok

Nobody triggered article 16 either. It was in a memo that was hastily stamped out.

It wasn't a memo. It was a final Article. And the only reason they didn't trigger Article 16 was because all hell broke loose and even they got the message that it would be a massively stupid, damaging thing to do.

But sure, change the facts so they suit your narrative!

The EU are getting the lipids that contribute to Pfizer, the temperature sensors for Pfizer, Oxford expertise in creating AZ vaccine in the first place, help setting up the supply chain within the EU and use of the UK supply chain once UK orders of AZ have been fulfilled. How have they got the front to say that there's no reciprocity?

Well, at least the Pfizer big batch is here now, that'll get the second doses sorted out. A client colleague got a first dose Pfizer last week and said people were joking around in the queue that it's ok because they'd all get AZ next time round.

Moderna coming soon. AZ producing well here and the superfactory due. Janssen and Novovax down the line. Worst case a slight delay into September, most of whom will be on single dose Janssen.

As you are fond of facts @Avondklok, here are a few about the Article 16 fiasco. Written by a pro-EU lawyer.

What is Article 16 of the Northern Irish Protocol – and what on Earth was the European Commission thinking? (Includes a copy of the now deleted proposed regulation.)

davidallengreen.com/2021/01/what-is-article-16-of-the-northern-irish-protocol-and-what-on-earth-was-the-european-commission-thinking-includes-a-copy-of-the-now-deleted-proposed-regulation/

In it he says:

What we do know, however, is that formal recitals to legal instruments do not come about by accident – even when those regulations are in draft form, let alone ‘final’ form.

Somebody somewhere in the European Commission had to have made a decision for that recital to be part of the regulation.

And that can be most plausibly explained by someone at the European Commission having decided to invoke article 16.

And again how does blocking any vaccine exports get vaccines into European arms, it doesn’t, just more time wasting, more hot air, they still aren’t achieving anything.

Avondklok

What actually needs to happen in the EU, is someone for once, perhaps the person in charge for this disgraceful and unedifying debacle needs to take ACTUAL responsibility for their own poor decision making.

How are you, or the EU threaten a child by withholding a life saving vaccine to deflect this very responsibility. It is not just one cherished and much love child, but thousands.

The responsibility lies fair and square with the technocrats of Europe for your own predicament. We signed contracts in GOOD faith, in a lawful and careful way. We did not know at the time if ANY vaccine would work, it was a wing and a prayer.

You absolutely owe delicious an unreserved apology for your previous posts, this is in no way acceptable to anyone on MN.

Sending you love this evening delicious

**can you or the EU

I have a question that I can't see the answer to from contracts. If the EC has only paid 2/3 of the set-up fee, then why do they expect all the facilities to be up and running? Can anyone confirm the clauses that require Astrazeneca to upscale without payment for the upscaling? Normally in a contract you get a lower proportion or nothing until set-up up is fully funded.

(Back in January I thought they hadn't paid because they had no doses at all, but now they've had a load and still not paid, but still seem to both want and expect a scale-up.)

I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this or not. One of the ongoing criticisms of the UK vaccine rollout has been 'The UK has done loads of vaccines, but is miles behind EU countries in properly vaccinating people.'

According to Our World in Data, the UK has just now overtaken France on that metric, and it on course to overtake the EU within the next couple of days.

Thank goodness. That should put a stop to all the idiotic posters who insist on defending the EU’s shambolic handling of the rollout by saying they have “fully vaccinated” more people than the UK.

One of the ongoing criticisms of the UK vaccine rollout has been 'The UK has done loads of vaccines, but is miles behind EU countries in properly vaccinating people

I think that argument is dead in the water. And it now seems that 1st dose is what is important!

Oh well........it was always obvious that one would only work for a few weeks.

We are on our own now, daft as it was, so we can only blame ourselves for our mistakes.

Daft? Given the EU’s ludicrous behaviour these past few weeks I would say it’s the opposite.

The EU can only focus on thinking they have a right to the vaccines mase in the UK rven though what we make here is a drop in the ocean for the EU population. That’s all they can seem to focus on so are not moving forward.

www.politico.eu/article/european-council-eu-leaders-coronavirus-vaccines-ambassadors/