Almost 90% of people made unemployed in the past year are under 35s

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Shocking statistics from the ONS today showing 88% of jobs lost in the year from feb 2020--feb 2021 were jobs of people under 35, more than 60% in those under 25. Feels like a poweder keg of resentment will go off soon, the social impact of such a generational divide will be massive (especially as under 35s are largely not at risk from the virus).

www.politicshome.com/news/article/ons-employment-young-people-face-employment-crisis-as-88-of-job-losses-affect-under-35s

The icing on the cake has been the occasional talk of vaccine passports that would allow those vaccinated to go to the pub, football matches etc. Presumably to be served by the young person who wouldn't be allowed in if they weren't working.

I doubt it'll happen for many reasons but the fact that some people think it's a good idea shows how little people care about young people.

When the over 50s swan off on their cruises there will be a lot of bad feeling

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

*It would be nice if the younger generations realised the huge inequality that already and has always existed against older workers and fucking did something about it!

I am fed up to the back teeth of this narrative on MumsNet that is about blaming older people for the pandemic and all its impacts. It is a narrative that is based on idiotic and highly prejudiced interpretation of "facts".*

On this thread, where are people blaming older people for the pandemic and all its impacts? Young people have lost their jobs on a far greater scale in this pandemic, or do you deny that? For a virus that they had very little chance of becoming seriously unwell with. Of course it's awful when anyone of any age loses their job, did anyone say otherwise?

As for huge inequality towards older workers, age is a protected characteristic and people should NOT be discriminated against for their age, be it young or old. It's not the over 50s that have a lesser minimum wage because of their age though is it.

Oh yeah. Well age discrimination laws apply to everyone, the young as well. And of course no employer ever breaches the laws of the land. No way. There's no discrimination anywhere. And did you even read the post that I was responding to - who certainly was blaming over 35s for pretty much everything? Or the link to the evidence of discrimination against older workers and the chances of them being in the long term unemployed?

It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. Younger people may have lost their jobs in greater numbers now. They are more likely to get another one. Larger numbers of older people were already out of work and long term unemployed, and the pandemic had made that worse. The poster I quoted was flatly expecting over 35s to do something about it, like we never have. Who built the unions and fought for the laws and rights that workers now have. They may be imperfect, but they are better than what came before. Those discrimination laws you think work didn't even exist that long ago!

Mumsnet is full of these threads. It's older people fault that the NHS was swamped. It's older people's fault the young have lost their jobs. It's older people's fault that they haven't died and left me their house and life savings. It is never ending. When will people realise that today, just for once, Boris got it right. There are two places to lay all of this. He should know, as he's a huge proponent of both. Greed and capitalism.

It's older people's fault that they haven't died and left me their house and life savings.

@Moondust001 you lose all credibility when you come out with nastiness like your above comment.

FFS yeah, we all want our parents and grandparents to die so we get our grabby little hands on their cash, don't we

Vile thing to say.

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

The icing on the cake has been the occasional talk of vaccine passports that would allow those vaccinated to go to the pub, football matches etc. Presumably to be served by the young person who wouldn't be allowed in if they weren't working.

I doubt it'll happen for many reasons but the fact that some people think it's a good idea shows how little people care about young people.

This, absolutely this. For us in our 30s, we’re being actively told we cannot have a jab. Yet at the same time talking about vaccine passports to do even basic socialising. How the fuck is that fair?

The young have been forced to sacrifice their tomorrows so that the old can have their todays

Don't talk shit! They've been told to stay home - like the rest of us - to protect the NHS - not die in the Battle of the Somme. Thank god the young people I know are more resilient!

@pinkunicornwithacatonitsback I think it goes a bit far to say we're actively being told we can't have a jab, they're hoping to have all over 18s vaccinated by the summer. It rightly should go to those more at risk, I have no issues with waiting and tbh feel my risks are so low I don't care if I never have the vaccine. Also, the effect of the pandemic on my mental health means I don't very much care what does happen to me tbh.

However, I don't see why once the vulnerable and older people are vaccinated there should be any continued restrictions whatsoever. The risk to me from coronavirus is tiny, the risk to my mental health of living like this is far greater.

@CateTown

The young have been forced to sacrifice their tomorrows so that the old can have their todays

Don't talk shit! They've been told to stay home - like the rest of us - to protect the NHS - not die in the Battle of the Somme. Thank god the young people I know are more resilient!

Ha, didn't take long for 'resilience' to start being banded around.

Far easier to stay at home when you're older and much more established in life, more likely to have a secure job where you can work from home, you've had the chance to meet a partner/have children, have your nice normal uni days and in uninterrupted education. Far far easier.

I'm so sick of the 'just like the rest of us' crap. We are NOT all in this together at all. Yes it's been shit for everyone but this is a storm in which some people are in a luxury cruise liner where others are in a battered dinghy without even a bucket to bale out the water.

I've not read all of this thread, but the parts I've read have been quite heartwarming in terms of recognition that it has been crap for lots of us my age. I'm 29, my eldest brother 34. We are all lucky in that we have kept our jobs so far, but the acknowledgement for others having it tough is validating. Especially when people are moaning about their holidays changing again this year.

@WithTeaTree

Doesn’t surprise me at all. If you think about the sectors most affected - hospitality and retail - they’re mainly staffed by younger people. The young have been very much fucked over.

Agreed it’s a real shame x

@CateTown

The young have been forced to sacrifice their tomorrows so that the old can have their todays

Don't talk shit! They've been told to stay home - like the rest of us - to protect the NHS - not die in the Battle of the Somme. Thank god the young people I know are more resilient!

ODFO with your ‘resilience’. I’m glad that the children you know have coped ok. I know plenty who haven’t and it has nothing to do with them not being resilient.

We’ve protected the NHS. We’re through the winter months where it’s most likely to be overwhelmed and we’ve vaccinated the people most likely to end up in hospital. So why are they still being asked to stay home and give even more up?

I'm so sick of the 'just like the rest of us' crap. We are NOT all in this together at all. Yes it's been shit for everyone but this is a storm in which some people are in a luxury cruise liner where others are in a battered dinghy without even a bucket to bale out the water.

many people are in a battered dinghy, regardless of age.

@Icenii

I'm so sick of the 'just like the rest of us' crap. We are NOT all in this together at all. Yes it's been shit for everyone but this is a storm in which some people are in a luxury cruise liner where others are in a battered dinghy without even a bucket to bale out the water.

many people are in a battered dinghy, regardless of age.

Did I say they weren't? But it's just one example of how 'we're all in this together' is a complete fuck ton of shite, given that young people have been more likely to lose their jobs, they have been the ones to suffer from their education being disrupted.

I’m quite conflicted to be honest. I’m 26. Only two people I know have lost their jobs, both in their early/mid twenties. One is my sister who worked in a shop during uni, had her graduation ceremony cancelled and had to graduate onto universal credit because of the lack of jobs. On the other hand, she lives with our parents, one of whom is CV so she didn’t want to go out to work anyway to avoid increasing the risk for them.

Above all, a uni classmate passed away from coronavirus at the beginning of the pandemic when we were 25 and two others (athletes) are suffering from long COVID - the disease is not risk free even at our age.

To be honest, the bigger betrayal of our generation by older generations was Brexit. None of us voted for it and yes we do vote.

@Tippexy studies have found long term detriment on the careers of people who graduated into the recession/were early career then. It caused a drag on the recovery. It’s part of the role of public policy to learn from that mistake and not let it happen again.

To be honest, the bigger betrayal of our generation by older generations was Brexit. None of us voted for it and yes we do vote.

To say 'bigger betrayal' implies that older generations have also 'betrayed' younger people during the pandemic which is completely unfair and untrue.

The politicians are the ones who have betrayed younger people, not older generations.

As for COVID not being risk free for the young, of course that's the case, and I'm so sorry to hear about your friends. However isn't it the case that flu is more risky for under 25s than COVID?

I do think that as an age group, the effects of lockdown in mental health, disruption of education and loss of jobs is a far bigger threat across the board to young people.

Feel so much for younger generations, paying for this in many ways

But those are just some outcomes of many crap outcomes. I'm not disputing it's crap BTW. But are there more workers in a certain age brackets meaning they are more likely loose their jobs? If there are 10 workers over 60 and 90 workers over 30, I'd expect it to be more likely the over 30s to loose their jobs. I'd also expect them to find it easier to find new ones unlike my recently made redundant father, 74 and brother 45. It's bad for many people, in many different ways, but I think we need to be careful about interpreting headlines and data in a silo.

The politicians are the ones who have betrayed younger people, not older generations.

Who do you think voted for a conservative government?

By bigger betrayal I meant a bigger issue for our future prospects than the handling of the pandemic.

I don’t know if that’s the case but I’ve never heard of anyone besides the elderly suffering badly with flu. Certainly never had a friend ill with it for more than a week or two.

@PattyPan

The politicians are the ones who have betrayed younger people, not older generations.

Who do you think voted for a conservative government?

By bigger betrayal I meant a bigger issue for our future prospects than the handling of the pandemic.

I don’t know if that’s the case but I’ve never heard of anyone besides the elderly suffering badly with flu. Certainly never had a friend ill with it for more than a week or two.

I meant with regards to the pandemic?

However you want to criticise the people who voted for a conservative government, I doubt they elected them giving consideration to how Boris would deal with a global health crisis.

Not surprised given that so many work in hospitality and retail.

Behind a paywall so can't link the full article but the snapshot there suggests for under 25s, flu is more dangerous than coronavirus.

i'm 55 - it's not been great for any age group, but i have no doubt that younger generations have suffered more than those my age and older. Younger people are also likely to suffer more of the longterm economic, social and cultural problems over the coming years

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind to be honest the mind rather boggles that people thought Boris would be competent at being prime minister at all! They already knew he was supposed to be leading us through another major event (Brexit) so presumably they thought he was up to that. Sorry - I checked my student debt balance today so I’m in a rather anti-Tory mood!

@PattyPan I'm with you 100%, I'm one of the most ardent tory-bashers you'll find 😁 I just don't think Tory voters are quite responsible for the response to coronavirus, maybe I'm being too charitable though!

Yep younger people have been totally screwed over. And this talk of protecting the NHS. On the whole young people don’t use the NHS much as they’re generally healthier. It’s old people who are the biggest users so the young have been screwed over to protect a service that they don’t use. I feel incredibly sorry for them and it really pisses me off when old people don’t appreciate what they’ve expected others to sacrifice to save them. Talk about selfishness.