Holidays abroad are illegal from Monday

[Dugee]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html

Along with any other unnecessary travel abroad.

Funny you should mention Oz because I was thinking exactly the same too. The sheer size of that country means that you’re living on a land mass similar to the size of Europe! Of course things can get back to a semblance of normality because communities are so spread out

86% of the Australian population is in urban areas.

83% of the UK is in urban areas.

@littleloopylou

Oh no, our freedom to spread disease so that we can have a jolly abroad is being curtailed!

Indeed. Fuck the fact that someone could end up unknowingly superspreading a new variant that might be vaccine resistant. I want my two weeks on the Costa Brava!

@Itsalonghaul

It might be better to take this opportunity to teach your children the art of gratitude and enjoying the beauty around them, rather than raising them to be entitled spoilt brats that care more about their holidays than they do about the lives of other people!

Still so angry aren't you.

A lot of preaching on here. "It's just a holiday", "It's just 2 years" "Holidays are a luxury."

Yeah, alright. So why don't we just stop travelling altogether, all of us? Instead, donate that money to poorer countries. It's selfish to want a holiday, after all. Give the money to people in need every year from now on.

Nope, didn't think so.

@Itsalonghaul

It might be better to take this opportunity to teach your children the art of gratitude and enjoying the beauty around them, rather than raising them to be entitled spoilt brats that care more about their holidays than they do about the lives of other people!

Just how does one reach such a level of perfect mindfulness?

I have a rather lovely image of you skipping through a meadow of daisies (a very British meadow, obviously) phone in hand, as you post on mumsnet.

You could virtual classes online on the "art of staying at home gratitude"?

I mean, I see your point, but you're unlikely to win many people over to it with such a smug, prescriptive attitude!

@Itsalonghaul what can we realistically do about new variants though? I just don’t think we can spend the rest of our lives sat inside worrying a new vaccine-resistant variant will come. If some awful new variant that can’t be detected and kills young people comes, then yes we’re fucked but I just don’t think it’s an option to sit inside worrying about that forever. And one of these variants could originate in the UK, not just abroad so we may as well stay in lockdown forever in that case. Viruses do tend to cause less severe illness as they mutate though so hopefully future variants won’t be so bad. I think, once everyone is vaccinated that’s all we can realistically do so we may as well lift restrictions and hope for the best. And people will probably continue to die of covid for years to come (like people do of flu). We’ll just have to accept it as something vulnerable people die of sometimes (like flu). The vaccine should mean that the cases/deaths will be low and the nhs can cope and the majority of people can carry on with their lives.

@tangerinelollipop Oh I do hope not. Personally speaking for my kids (the teenager in particular) it has been the impact of Covid e.g. not being able to go to school, not being able to see his grandparents, not being able to mix with his friends that has really affected his MH. The basic things, really.
He's so much happier now he's back in school and I'd be gutted for him if this was taken away again.

@Thewiseoneincognito

“ Do you even know what Covid is?

A pack of lemsip and an M&S hand gel isn’t going to let you live along side it for long.”

Do you know what it is? A mild/asymptomatic disease for the vast majority of people (over 80%) and now we’ve vaccinated the majority of people who are most likely to be seriously ill/die. So yeah, I think we’ll be able to live alongside it.

Also, I presume these holier than thou posters haven't left the house since March 2020? Because any time you enter a shop, restaurant and so on you could be putting others at risk with your 'selfish' ways.

Once again, nope, didn't think so.

@pinkearedcow

God, some people really are losing the plot. It's understandable I suppose, we have had a long and tough year and today is a bit emotional for us all. But tin foil hattery does no-one any favours.

Dominic Cummings didn't do us any favours either, did he? But hey that's ok because "they all lie and what can we do about it anyway?"

Slapping labels on people and accepting rules without question does us even fewer favours.

@Itsasin1981 Holidays abroad ARE a luxury. You don't NEED them.
Could you holiday locally and then donate what you would have spent to poorer countries? I think that's a lovely idea and would be a great lesson to your kids regarding how lucky we are to have holidays at all

@Stratfordplace

With regard to the previous posters I am fully aware there is a pandemic and, no, my home is not lined with tin foil. We are, however, accepting more and more restrictions on our freedom. You may be happy with that, I’m not.

We should protest though, oh wait...

@Itsalonghaul

We have two choices, just two:

1. We either carry on travelling and bring back new variants and cancel out all of the progress we have made with vaccines, and go back to square one in a lockdown and all that entails.

Or

2. We stay at home this year for a holiday, we bank the vaccine progress and we have some kind of normality and quality of life

You CANT have both!!!!!

It is not conspiracy bloody theories or any other such bollocks. Your week burning on the beaches of Spain this year will cost you potentially your job, your kids education, your livelihood, your life possibly, your future and everything else that means anything to you.

When you think about it like that is a no brainer!

And I say that as someone that is absolutely desperate to boil my brain somewhere exotic and I have worked throughout the pandemic, and I am beyond tired.

We have to understand the consequences, and they are extremely bad if the worst case scenario happens.

You forgot something.

You can and should stop visitors coming over.

As it stands, atm, people in Britain aren’t allowed to go to the EU. But somehow people from the EU are allowed to come on hols in the U.K...

Surely, if the ONLY reason for that decision was to protect us from covid (which is something disputable when it comes to the EU), then ALL travel should be stopped, like it is in Australia/NZ...

I think there is a political decision there to put pressure to the EU and make a point re covid vaccines/.getting your own way blabla
There is also the wish of make people in the U.K. holiday in the U.K. to support that industry (hotel. B&B, restaurant etc....).

But if it was just about covid, they would have taken other measures.

I have a rather lovely image of you skipping through a meadow of daisies (a very British meadow, obviously) phone in hand, as you post on mumsnet

Is the sneer necessary?

Please listen to me.

We are in a much WORSE position than last year.

Why? Because last year we only had one variant, the first one to deal. Comparatively it was not as infectious, not as dangerous and it generally just killed the very old or the very sick.

Now we have several, at least, variants circulating that are mutating all of the time.

If you had listened to SAGE you would know that they were extremely shocked and taken aback that so variants sprung up so quickly, so much faster than even in the worst case scenario they had planned for. Had the variants not arrived so swiftly, we would be a much better position.

This is not the fault of the government or SAGE, this is the virus wishing to survive against an onslaught of vaccines and medication.

We are at war, and until you realise that you are going to carry on bleating about holidays and your salon being closed.

We don't get to pick and choose what suits us about it. We have to win this war, for the sakes of our kids and our elderly, and our future - and we do so by making the right decisions, even unpopular ones that will protect us in the long run.

Good for the environment at least

[quote Trustisamust]@Itsasin1981 Holidays abroad ARE a luxury. You don't NEED them.
Could you holiday locally and then donate what you would have spent to poorer countries? I think that's a lovely idea and would be a great lesson to your kids regarding how lucky we are to have holidays at all [/quote]
You can't say what people NEED everyone is different & how they choose to spend there money is there business. There is very little we all actually NEED but we all make different choices for the things we WANT

@Itsalonghaul

“ Some of the new variants are very dangerous, they are killing younger healthy people, they are immune to the vaccine and in some cases (like the one found in France last week) They are not even picked up with the normal testing capacity.”

Links to studies showing that these ‘dangerous new strains’ are killing significantly more ‘young healthy’ people. Which strains?

We are at war, and until you realise that you are going to carry on bleating about holidays and your salon being closed.

You think people losing their livelihoods is "bleating"?

@Trustisamust, I am part of those millions of people who have family in Europe. Unlike people who have all their family/parents in the U.K., I will have no choice but to NOT see my parents if they carry on over the end of June with this farce.
I don’t see that as a holiday. No more than you do if you go down to Birmingham to see your own family. Or go down the road to see them. Because that’s NOT THE POINT of that travel.

On the other side, it’s ok to travel to go and see an estate agent. Obviously going to see an estate agent and visiting houses is t dangerous or make me at risk to bringing covid back. So I suppose I could still day I’m going to investigate buying a house near them .

this is the virus wishing to survive against an onslaught of vaccines and medication

This suggests that you don't have much of an understanding of viruses. They don't "wish" anything. They're not sentient. Mutations happen randomly as part of the reproduction process. Ones that, by coincidence, allow more successful reproduction will tend to become dominent.
That's all. No master plan.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

It will be illegal to fart soon 🙄

Oh god I hope so. It'd make living with DP much better!

@IloveJKRowling

Good, holidays abroad aren't essential in any universe. There is a long list of exceptions of essential travel (including funerals, childcare and many other legitimate reasons to travel).

When so many people are dying it seems a bit much that some people get to spread covid around just so they can get a beach holiday.

Great! I can see my parents in Europe when they're dear to attend their funeral! Not when they're alive obviously because vaccinated people are apparently still dying here.

@Itsalonghaul

Please listen to me.

We are in a much WORSE position than last year.

Why? Because last year we only had one variant, the first one to deal. Comparatively it was not as infectious, not as dangerous and it generally just killed the very old or the very sick.

Now we have several, at least, variants circulating that are mutating all of the time.

If you had listened to SAGE you would know that they were extremely shocked and taken aback that so variants sprung up so quickly, so much faster than even in the worst case scenario they had planned for. Had the variants not arrived so swiftly, we would be a much better position.

This is not the fault of the government or SAGE, this is the virus wishing to survive against an onslaught of vaccines and medication.

We are at war, and until you realise that you are going to carry on bleating about holidays and your salon being closed.

We don't get to pick and choose what suits us about it. We have to win this war, for the sakes of our kids and our elderly, and our future - and we do so by making the right decisions, even unpopular ones that will protect us in the long run.

You sound very scared I feel sorry for you. The vaccines are here it's the best we can do. We can't just stay locked up. That's why I say if you are scared stay in, those that aren't will go about our lives & show you it will be as ok as it is to live with Flu, etc.

It's amazing how some of those screeching to stay.the.fuck.at.home don't want to when they now can't go on holiday.
Suddenly seeing family overseas is essential for MH, yet anyone who said that previously was called all sorts including granny killers and covidiots.
Funny how for those of us where it's been illegal to work to keep the roof over our heads were told to do our bit to save the NHS - yet when this law has been passed it's suddenly not OK and people are concerned with losing their rights.