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Some have been having to lockdown in this!!!!

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MercyBooth · 22/03/2021 17:45

Absolutely shocking conditions in a council housing block Practically raining indoors. One woman had to unplug her fridge due to the danger. All in this together but only when its Covid and face masks. You can forget about any other equality the rest of the time.

twitter.com/itvnews/status/1373964055443087363?s=20

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YorkiePanda · 22/04/2021 21:35

[quote MercyBooth]Absolutely shocking conditions in a council housing block Practically raining indoors. One woman had to unplug her fridge due to the danger. All in this together but only when its Covid and face masks. You can forget about any other equality the rest of the time.

twitter.com/itvnews/status/1373964055443087363?s=20[/quote]
Truth. I work in mental health, parity of esteem has pretty much disappeared. All that matters is rona rona rona.

RhubarbTea · 22/04/2021 21:44

That is utterly horrendous, I've lived in some shitty private rentals over the years and have some issues with mould where I am now, but it pales into insignificance compared to what those people are going through. I hope the press continue to expose this until those people are re-housed. The housing crisis in this country is reaching epic proportions, though Sad

Northernsoulgirl45 · 22/04/2021 21:49

Absolutely appalling of course and sadly nothing knew. I grew up in some pretty shoddy Council housing in the seventies and eighties. The damp and mildew really affected my lungs. Conservative Council btw and I am sure I read an article suggesting that funding has been increased by the Government in some Conservative Councils and reduced in some Labour ones.
What is the relevance to l COVID OP?

MercyBooth · 22/04/2021 21:51

YY @YorkiePanda

Here is another problem that is building that will affect people living in smaller dwellings.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4224035-do-you-still-need-to-self-isolate-before-surgery-if-you-ve-had-the-vaccine

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MercyBooth · 22/04/2021 22:00

Its in the thread title @Northernsoulgirl45 People were/are having to lock down in some terrible places Why is that not relevant. Does equality only count when its Covid? Back to the default setting of some people being "lesser" the rest of the time. People are being told its their civic duty to wear masks and have the vaccine but its a big Fuck You when its anything else.
And hygiene is important no?

In my home town there has been a rise in homelessness A certain alley was being used as a toilet. So a business owner offered them an outdoor toilet to use but was dismayed to find drug paraphenalia and shit smeared on the walls.

But the attitude seems to be "meh"

Well i certainly hope no serious bacterial infections take hold like Covid has. Because all the public goodwill has been used upon the latter.

Its a health hazard and needs sorting.

That housing is a health hazard too. But the only one ppl care about is Covid.

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safeornotsafe · 22/04/2021 22:38

I have to choose between domestic violence or being placed in housing like that. I obviously have chosen the violence because it's better than being homeless or living in dangerous housing and I've lived in bad housing before so know what it's like. It was private rented and I couldn't complain because no other option and the landlord would've evicted me. Anyway I just wanted to say that I still glad we had lockdown. I don't want to die from Covid. I do feel suicidal but I don't want the way I go to be horrible. Just because I'm in a homeless situation doesn't mean I want to die from Covid. If a miracle happened and I was offered safe housing, the only way I'd feel safe enough to travel to it is if most people were wearing masks.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 22/04/2021 22:42

The associations and council haven't maintained the properties and now don't want to tear them down because they'll have to rehouse the tenants. It's sick.

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 00:17

They have been exonerated.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/clarion-cleared-by-rsh-following-itv-investigation-72111

Clarion cleared by RSH following ITV investigation
NEWS
12.08.21
4:20 PM
BY NATHANIEL BARKER
The UK’s largest housing association has been cleared of a standards breach by the sector’s regulator following an investigation sparked by a television investigation into the conditions on one of its estates in London.

Clarion, which owns and manages around 125,000 homes across the country, referred itself to the Regulator of Social Housing (RSH) after the report aired in June.

ITV News and My London spoke to unhappy residents at Clarion’s Eastfields Estate in Merton, south London, with images showing vermin infestations and widespread disrepair. In many cases, residents had to wait long periods for issues to be rectified by the landlord, including one family who had lived for eight months without lights on the top floor of their home.

At the time, the landlord apologised to residents and admitted its service “had not been to the standard that we would like”.

Minister Luke Hall later revealed in parliament that the RSH was “considering information received from Clarion Housing Association about the Eastfields Estate” with a view to deciding “whether there is evidence of systemic failure that would indicate a breach of regulatory standards”.

In an unusual statement issued today, the RSH said: “We received a referral from Clarion Housing Association in relation to homes on its Eastfields Estate in Merton.

“While there were clearly individual repairs issues which required resolution, our investigation did not find evidence of systemic or organisational failure which indicates a breach of the consumer standards.”

Its conclusion means Clarion will retain its G1/V1 regulatory grading, the highest possible.

The RSH’s investigation came soon after a separate five-month probe into Clarion, which centred on repairs and complaint-handling concerns raised by a group of councillors in Tower Hamlets.

In late March, the regulator concluded that while it found “individual incidents of service failures”, there was no “evidence of systemic failings by Clarion which would necessitate regulatory action”.

Clare Miller, chief executive of Clarion Housing Group, said: “We welcome the decision of the regulator to maintain the G1/V1 status for Clarion Housing Group.

“I am proud of the role we play as a social landlord to 350,000 residents across the country and the contribution we make as a developer of new homes. But we are also an organisation determined to continually improve the service we provide.
“At the Eastfields Estate in Merton, we apologised for past mistakes and have taken action to improve conditions on the estate. We are listening to residents and working closely with the council, to ensure improvements in living conditions now and drive forward our plan for regeneration in the future.

“I have commissioned a review of lessons learned from Eastfields and we will be publishing the results in the autumn.

“This will sit alongside a plan that renews our commitment to our residents, comprising everything from investment in their homes to ensuring a regular and visible Clarion presence in their local communities.

Since 2012, the regulator has only been able to intervene on consumer issues where it finds evidence of “serious detriment” to tenants.

In the Social Housing White Paper, published in October in response to the Grenfell Tower fire, the government laid out proposals for a return to a proactive system of consumer regulation.

ITV has run a series of reports on incidents of social housing residents facing squalid conditions, beginning with an exposé of shocking mould problems at a Croydon Council-owned tower block.

The investigation resulted in the regulator stepping in and saw Croydon Council become only the second-ever social landlord to be found in breach of the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard.

In its report, the RSH said that some of the homes the council managed were “uninhabitable and unsafe” with tenants at “risk of serious harm” because of the conditions.
Since 2012, the regulator has only been able to intervene on consumer issues where it finds evidence of “serious detriment” to tenants.

In the Social Housing White Paper, published in October in response to the Grenfell Tower fire, the government laid out proposals for a return to a proactive system of consumer regulation.

ITV has run a series of reports on incidents of social housing residents facing squalid conditions, beginning with an exposé of shocking mould problems at a Croydon Council-owned tower block.

The investigation resulted in the regulator stepping in and saw Croydon Council become only the second-ever social landlord to be found in breach of the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard.

In its report, the RSH said that some of the homes the council managed were “uninhabitable and unsafe” with tenants at “risk of serious harm” because of the conditions.

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Clavinova · 16/08/2021 13:00

MercyBooth
They have been exonerated.

The flats in your opening video belong to Croydon Council (text in your link) - 'they' haven't been exonerated. Your post today tells us that the regulator stepped in and Croydon Council 'were found in breach of the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard.' Further details here:

Regulatory Finding
The regulator has concluded that:

a) London Borough of Croydon (LB Croydon) has breached the Home Standard and the Tenant Involvement and Empowerment Standard; and

b) As a consequence of this breach, there was actual and potential serious detriment to LB Croydon’s tenants.

The regulator will work with LB Croydon as it seeks to remedy this breach and will continue to consider what further action may need to be taken.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-judgement-london-borough-of-croydon/regulatory-notice-london-borough-of-croydon-20-may-2021

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 16:33

twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1427243159784935425?s=20

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV**
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Rats, leaks, collapsed ceilings. What we found on this estate led to an inquiry by the Social Housing Regulator.

That inquiry has cleared Clarion, finding no evidence of “organisational failure.”

We’ve now learned not a single tenant was spoken to as part of the inquiry. Not 1.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV**
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As well as not speaking to any tenants on Eastfields, not a single property was visited or inspected by the Regulator.

The Regulator only spoke to Clarion & “third parties”.

So an inquiry into how tenant’s complaints were dealt with by Clarion didn’t involve a single tenant.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV**
Replying to
@DanielHewittITV**
The Regulator told us it does not have the power to carry out visits to tenants properties or “proactively seek tenants’ views on the performance of their landlord.”

So instead, they spoke only to Clarion and concluded that Clarion wasn’t failing.

The tenants never had a voice.

Daniel Hewitt
@DanielHewittITV**
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@DanielHewittITV**
The Regulator for Social Housing doesn’t have the power to speak to tenants or visit their homes. I mean, is it unreasonable to ask, what’s the point?

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CorrBlimeyGG · 16/08/2021 16:39

In late March, the regulator concluded that while it found “individual incidents of service failures”, there was no “evidence of systemic failings by Clarion which would necessitate regulatory action”.

It's like the government denying institutional racism, "yes there are lots of problems but we're going to refuse to see a link and carry on regardless".

Clavinova · 16/08/2021 17:24

MercyBooth

Your original post didn't match your link. Croydon Council is Labour run, bankrupt and accused of financial mismanagement, including setting up its own loss-making housing company;

Since it was created [by Croydon Council] in 2016, Brick by Brick has received £200m in development loans from the council but is yet to produce any dividends or returns for the local authority.

Other investments include a hotel and a retail park;
But a damning report into the financial state of the council, published by Grant Thornton, deemed the investments “inherently flawed”.

Ironically, the Labour MP for Croydon Central was recently (2018- 2020) the Shadow Minister of State for Housing and Planning.

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 18:23

I didnt say anything about the bloody Tories did i?!

Attitudes towards tenants are endemic in this country. Cross party.

Public health is a serious enough reason to stop us from seeing family last Christmas but not serious enough to tackle poor housing. If ppl can see this cognitive dissonance that may well affect decisions about whether to have the vaccine or not
To clarify ive had the vaccine but the Gov. cant preach about public health and allow these issues to carry on. Disingenuous at best and blatant hypocrisy at worst.

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MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 18:26

Daniel Hewitt went to a lot of homes for his ITV news reports. So quite a few councils and HAs involved. This is just the first feedback from the regulator.

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Clavinova · 16/08/2021 18:29

MercyBooth
I didnt say anything about the bloody Tories did i?!

Yes, you did - your third post on the thread.

User135644 · 16/08/2021 19:04

@MercyBooth

2016 Tories vote down law requiring landlords make their homes fit for human habitation. 2020/21 Tories.............STAY HOME protect the NHS save lives.
You get what you vote for (collectively)

The English love affair with the Tories goes on.

Logbaskethammer · 16/08/2021 19:19

Was there a follow up report on what happened to the people featured in the initial report? I hope they’re somewhere warm and dry now. Those conditions were monstrous.

MercyBooth · 16/08/2021 19:24

I didnt check that far back. I forgot i posted it though I stand by it Because its true.

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Clavinova · 16/08/2021 19:33

User135644

Presumably Labour tabled an amendment in 2016? What reason did they give for not introducing this law during their 13 years of government?

MercyBooth has missed this in any case -

The Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018

gatehouselaw.co.uk/the-homes-fitness-for-human-habitation-act-2018/

TheTallOakTrees · 16/08/2021 23:07

Sadly people are forced to live like this, bad landlords squeezing every greedy penny in rent for substandard accommodation. Some social housing and some private.
It's shocking but most people are unaware the dreadful conditions people live in this rich country

Porcupineintherough · 17/08/2021 13:44

The point is, those conditions are illegal. So why is the law not being enforced?

MercyBooth · 17/08/2021 15:48

They are incredibly lucky that tenants havent used the vaccines to hold them to ransom over things like this. After all this tactic can work both ways. Either public health is important or it isnt. They cant have it both ways.

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Porcupineintherough · 17/08/2021 17:13

Sorry but that's just a stupid way to think about it. "Improve my living conditions or I'll refuse vaccination from a disease I am disproportionately at risk from". Bojo and his mates don't care if those tenants live or die, their death or disablement from COVID would prove nothing and change nothing, just ease the housing shortage a little.

MercyBooth · 17/08/2021 17:26

@Porcupineintherough So why have we had all the social coercion then. If they arent that bothered.

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