EU threatening to cut off supply of vaccines to UK

[Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady]

Because they've not got enough apparently (despite the fact that they've got a shit load of AZ stockpiled because they've mostly stopped using it)

This is really starting to piss me off now, and has someone who is due 2nd Pfizer jab in 8 weeks in starting to worry I won't get it!

They're threatening to stop supply to USA too.

Wankers

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

We were lucky to have KB leading our vaccine task force - a cool head and measured, excellent decisions.

We don't really know that Brexit will be successful at all! Vaccines aside it is going pretty shit at the moment.

We are small and insignificant compared to the might of the EU and we need to start getting used to it.

jas I agree with some of what you say. However at no point have the UK stopped the EU making AZ vaccines. The UK had to put something like this in place because we are there country and we needed to ensure that our citizens got the vaccine. You can see that the EU (unsuccessfully) in their contract tried to ensure that they would get their full supply even if that meant us getting no supply.

The difference in anger between the EU and India is very understandable. We were never supposed to be getting vaccines from India. That was additional supplies that didn't quite work out. The EU are trying to take the vaccines that were always meant for UK people.

We have not yet fully vaccinated all the vulnerable.

Once we do, then perhaps we can think about export. But we are nowhere near that place yet.

I do hope that even if the EU are daft enough to stop Pfizer exports that we don't retaliate by blocking Croda exports.

I doubt Pfizer would ever have accepted an EU first contract as they has signed with US many months before so would not be able tonsupy others. Uk I think we're 1st to Pfizer deal so again we already had a contract.

This thread shows the utter selfishness of the human race at its worst

"Now waaaaaait a minute! You can't say that one minute, then say this the next:

Our contracts specify AZ cannot send vaccine to anyone else until ALL of us are vaccinated

Make your mind up!"

whoa there umbivalent !

It was clear from the rest of that statement ,particularly the sarcastic "but that's all ok " ,which you've excluded ,that JasJas was drawing attention to how wrong this was . Not agreeing with it!

"an export ban in all but name - buts thats all ok".

Sir John Bell talking about a large stock of vaccine not being used in some EU countries

Is this right? I assume so but what’s going on

@MarshaBradyo

Sir John Bell talking about a large stock of vaccine not being used in some EU countries

Is this right? I assume so but what’s going on

Yes. People were refusing the vaccine in several countries so some of them had big stocks. Germany was only using 25% of it I’ve read today that people can refuse in Italy the vaccine If they want. In the meantime they’re rejecting sending 250k to Australia

@MarshaBradyo

Sir John Bell talking about a large stock of vaccine not being used in some EU countries

Is this right? I assume so but what’s going on

They are holding back stock for 2nd doses plus they have many scared shirtless of AZ.

With Pfizer they are sticking to 3 week schedule I think. They managed to get all the liability on Pfizer so cannot deviate from manufacturers instructions I guess.

With AZ they could introduce longer dosing schedules. Not sure if they have.

@MarshaBradyo

Sir John Bell talking about a large stock of vaccine not being used in some EU countries

Is this right? I assume so but what’s going on

Yes, indeed. The issue seems to be a wide-spread loss of confidence in the Oxford/Az vaccine, which is impacting on the uptake of it.

Some numbers are discussed at www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-covid19-vaccine-deliveries-in-europe-by-the-numbers/

The psychology is covered rather nicely in the Feb 25th episode of 'Newscast' - apparently it's become known as "The Aldi Vaccine".

Both those sources are now somewhat out of date, in what is a rapidly evolving situation. But I rather suspect things have got worse, not better, after this week's shenanigans.

It’s either crazy or political. They can’t makeup their minds about the AZ while storing it and complaining they haven’t got enough. One minute it is no good for over 65s, then it is fine, now it isn’t to be given to younger people.They are like headless chickens tearing around shouting it’s all the fault of the UK, the British variant, the Oxford vaccine, we want more of it, no we aren’t going to use it, we can’t get our act together so roll out no good so keep shouting it’s the UKs fault to cover the fact that we are pretty useless.

@HappydaysArehere

It’s either crazy or political. They can’t makeup their minds about the AZ while storing it and complaining they haven’t got enough. One minute it is no good for over 65s, then it is fine, now it isn’t to be given to younger people.They are like headless chickens tearing around shouting it’s all the fault of the UK, the British variant, the Oxford vaccine, we want more of it, no we aren’t going to use it, we can’t get our act together so roll out no good so keep shouting it’s the UKs fault to cover the fact that we are pretty useless.

Exactly

If I hadn’t seen so many blame AZ for low supply at the same time as not using it.

Thanks Easter Motorina and Wake for info

Really contradictory - a mess

@Umbivalent

India Govt told the Serum Inst to keep more vaccine within the country......5m doses prevented from going to the UK.... not a squeak from the UK Govt, MSM or even MN

I mean, if there wasn't a squeak - how did we all hear about it? Hmm?

Yes. We discussed it quite extensively and even pointed out that the UK and AZ actions have been consistent.

When the EU moaned about the UK / AZ contractual differences the UK stayed quiet. The contract, as it turned out, was quite clear.

The same contract, with India as Prime exists with AZ/SII in India. So the UK did not respond as the EU had done because, again, it's in the bloody contract.

We have discussed it, we have tried to unpick it. Some of us are not willy waving, are disgusted that this is becoming more and more politicized, fuelled by shite journalism across Europe and beyond... note Europe, not the EU!

When the EU moaned about the UK / AZ contractual differences the UK stayed quiet. The contract, as it turned out, was quite clear.

@CuriousaboutSamphire did it not later emerge that the EU had actually signed their contract with AZ one day before the UK?

Dong the contract with OX transferred over I believe.

It's a non story put forward by those who like to say the UK is just awful.

@Itsalonghaul

It is incredible that the EU demand us to give up our vaccines and chance of not dying from covid to save their own.

Bearing in mind that at the peak of our third wave on Christmas Eve France decided to unilaterally close all the ports and all trade over night with no notice whatsoever, threatening our food supplies and medicine. That is what France did for us when we were hit by the third wave with our hospital buckling and with our people reeling from shock and loss.

So please do not talk to me about goodwill jasjas!!! Because the only thing our neighbours and allies did for us in our moment of need was kick us as hard as they fucking could. Did they hold out the hand of human kindness? Cutting off our food and medical supply in the height of crisis that is what they did.

So lets not forget what happened just a few months ago.

It was an utter disgrace, and will not be forgotten here for a very very long time.

I agree.

Dong the contract with OX transferred over I believe.

Sorry if I’m being stupid @Wakeupin2022, but how do you mean?

So whats the update since EMA declared safe.
Have most countries reinstated az but kept limits on ages that ema and who say shouldn't exist..
If its banned for over 55 or 65 then its not much used to elderly and they will require pfizer or moderna..
Seems patchy as think news said France opposite low they only want to use az with over 55 .
Will full confidence in az to eu citizens be restored or depends on the country.
Are member states vaccinating in similar priority order.
Is az mostly used younger people and keyworkers.

Another thing is I feel sorry for some members states.
As they could choose order extra Germany did however they can only access the separate additional order once the the eu orders are fulfilled.
Are moderna and phizer where they need to be or behind with the eu order's?
I know they had some issues but I assume they resolved now..
I do feel j and j will under deliver.
Hopefully Biden won't block j and j exports if they sent to usa for bottling.

I saw on news Denmark and few other countries were in talks buy vaccines off Israel not sure how quickly they can get them.
I think the only get out clause was member states can order and receive vaccines that eu haven't ordered hence why some Eastern EU countries using Chinese and Russian however they not approved by the EMA.

News about sf and Brazilian varient rates in eu is concerning thats what we have to fear as we already had Kent so I don't see how we can open up international travel this year despite some eu countries welcoming brits.
Spain has opened up for german tourists.

Dong we already had a contract.

We did buy some original doses in August (not sure how many) so it may have been that.

But the UK govt were the ones instrumental in bringing AZ in (was originally going to be Merck). If it had been Merck there may have been less issues with Supply but we would probably have much less of it!

So basically the UK was contracted to buy the Oxford vaccine from the very early days.

*some additional doses not original

@Dongdingdong

When the EU moaned about the UK / AZ contractual differences the UK stayed quiet. The contract, as it turned out, was quite clear.

@CuriousaboutSamphire did it not later emerge that the EU had actually signed their contract with AZ one day before the UK?

Yes, but: A-1 they continued to dicker over the peivey of a not for profit vaccine

B- the details of the EU contract were different, penalities not as stringent, less focussed.

So the UK supply was started first, whilst the EU continued to discuss saving pennies and then the first of the supply bumps hit the UK supply and the arguments about contractual obligations began.

I think the EU are actually going to go ahead and ban exports to the UK, you couldn’t make it up

www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-threatens-astrazeneca-with-vaccine-export-ban/

[quote Baileysforchristmas]I think the EU are actually going to go ahead and ban exports to the UK, you couldn’t make it up

www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-threatens-astrazeneca-with-vaccine-export-ban/[/quote]
Seems it’s az and not pfizer

Funny when their own countries are refusing the getting vaccinated with it ... and refusing to send them where they’re welcome (Australia who at the same time is sending thousands to Papua New Guinea as the situation is really bad there )

How much AZ are we importing from the EU - I thought we mainly make our own? At least they aren’t threatening our Pfizer supply which I found more alarming.

She’s a liability to the EU

Oh dear. I suspect if we held the 2016 referendum now the leave vote would be far higher.

@RoseWineTime

How much AZ are we importing from the EU - I thought we mainly make our own? At least they aren’t threatening our Pfizer supply which I found more alarming.

I'm trying to find out. I'm sure I read the numbers somewhere last week.

But we aren't making enough here, that's why we also have a deal with India etc.