Denmark/Europe and AZ

[pinkearedcow]

On another thread (which is now full up) posters were saying that Denmark has restarted the AZ vaccine. I can't find anything about this - does anyone have a link please!

I can’t find anything re Denmark re-using it again either.

Take this as a lesson not to believe everything spouted as ‘fact’ read on MN!

EU threatening to stop vaccine exports but have millions of stock piled vaccines.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ursula-von-der-leyen-threatens-cut-off-covid-exports-uk-b924652.html

Well, I live here and I can't see a press release about it.

It was removed from our vaccination calendar when it was put on pause (because it's a "worst case based on current info calendar",) however today it has been re-added.

That's the best I've got but I'll post as soon as I see anything more concrete.

Thanks NewLevelsOfTiredness - I looked on the DMA site and it is not mentioned there, so odd how people on MN seem to be in the know?

laegemiddelstyrelsen.dk/en/news/

As an aside, for anyone who is worried about AZ, Denmark has published a really useful letter which has some helpful advice on what to look out for and what not to worry about:

laegemiddelstyrelsen.dk/en/news/2021/danish-medicines-agency-sends-out-updated-letter-to-people-who-have-received-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-within-the-last-14-days/

@pinkearedcow that's very interesting, thanks for sharing

You're welcome @Worknoplay - I had AZ on Monday and found the advice in that letter very reassuring,

I heard it reported on Radio 5. They were interviewing a Danish politician. Maybe he was wrong 🤷‍♀️.
Again EU threatening UK for not 'handing over vaccines'. But they're AZ so lots of EU not using them at moment. Oh and the UK not only paid for them but also paid a shed load of money developing them. EU has stockpiles as well as its own AZ factories - it is a half Swedish company. But hey, let's take it out on UK. When we have vaccinated our own you can have any spares.

From a point made on the other thread.

@LexMitior I’d say that supply of vaccine in the EU is slowing. They allowed countries to use Sputnik today without EMA permission.

Who is the 'they' that allowed countries to use Sputnik without EMA permission?

You have to understand that the EMA is not a national agency. All the member states also have a national agency. Like the UK has with the MHRA, even when the UK was an eu member.

Individual member states of the EU do not have to go the centrally authorised route. In fact most products authorised in the different member states do not go through the EMA. The EMA deal with certain Centrally Authorised products. On the other hand, manufacturers can apply for authorisation in individual member states or a range of member states.

In this instance, the member states all agreed to go with EMA Conditional Authorisation for most Covid vaccines. It took longer as they needed more data for a Conditional Authorisation. All EU member states could have used their Emergency Use Authorisation for medicines within their own borders. They could all have dashed off like the UK. No approval from anyone needed. That is what Hungary did with Sputnik. Sputnik is not approved by the EMA.

Mind you, I think some on here think EU member states shouldn't be allowed their own sovereignty in certain decisions. Go figure.

I think the Hungarians are using the Chinese vaccine "Sinopharm' too. Again, emergency use authorization for use within their own borders.

@pinkearedcow

You're welcome *@Worknoplay* - I had AZ on Monday and found the advice in that letter very reassuring,

I've followed the developments in Denmark (obviously) and support what they're doing, but would still happily get AZ jabbed this moment if I could.

We have between 0 and 2 deaths a day here at the moment, so I can understand why we felt it was an acceptable thing to delay by two weeks but I'm not personally convinced it was the right move by all of the countries.

@Cailleach1

Absolutely, under the procurement agreement each country was free to make their own deals for any vaccines not included in the agreement. There's literally no controversy there.

I think certain posters think every one of us EU citizens need a personal permission slip signed by Ms. Merkel and Mr. Macron to breath...

Mind you, I think some on here think EU member states shouldn't be allowed their own sovereignty in certain decisions. Go figure.

It's more complex than that.

Some on here believe that EU member states have no sovereignty in certain decisions (proving the EU is a dictatorship), while simultaneously believing that every time an EU member state exercises their sovereignty, it proves that the EU is falling apart.

The reason is simple -these people have never been able of working WITH others - In their heads, you only act in your own self-interests unless forced to do otherwise by law - it's why the whole concept of the EU is such anathema to them.

@notrub assume you are referring to Brits. Who were members of the EU for 50 years so have a v good idea how it works. Lots of us didn't want to leave. But I am glad we could buy our own vaccine and are not now reliant on the joint buying of the EU, which appears to be a massive cock up. So I hope countries now do their own thing (believe Hungary and Austria already have). But when EU and Macron denigrate a vaccine other countries listen. And won't use it,even if it could save thousands of lives. Your country might only have a few deaths, others don't.

[quote mumsneedwine]@notrub assume you are referring to Brits. Who were members of the EU for 50 years so have a v good idea how it works. Lots of us didn't want to leave. But I am glad we could buy our own vaccine and are not now reliant on the joint buying of the EU, which appears to be a massive cock up. So I hope countries now do their own thing (believe Hungary and Austria already have). But when EU and Macron denigrate a vaccine other countries listen. And won't use it,even if it could save thousands of lives. Your country might only have a few deaths, others don't. [/quote]
But you understand we've read hundreds of posts over the last day or two where the poster clearly did NOT know how it works, and either through misunderstanding, or personal political agenda continues to post incorrectly about what is an 'EU thing' and what is an individual sovereign nation thing.

And no member state had to buy in to procurement agreement. It was entirely optional. You could have operated exactly the same, in or out.

And when did 'the EU' denigrate a vaccine? 'The EU' have not made a negative comment on the vaccine and said to continue using it.

Macron is a dick though. And I'm absolutely not comfortable with all this export ban talk, which IS EU.

VDL just denigrated the vaccine again in her lovely press conference. And is again talking about banning stuff. Even though it's rubbish and she doesn't want it. But we can't have it either. She is bonkers. I hope most countries leaders are being more sensible.

UK vaccinated half a million people yesterday. It can be done, and it should be. The vaccine is there (EU has stockpiles of the stuff).

@mumsneedwine

UK vaccinated half a million people yesterday. It can be done, and it should be. The vaccine is there (EU has stockpiles of the stuff).

I know Germany and France have a stockpile. We don't have spare here - we have to hold some back for the 2nd jab because the deliveries are too inconsistent, but otherwise it all gets used. (And yes, our PM has told Germany that we'll happily take what they're not using!)

I'd love it if we could do half a million a day, we'd have the whole country done by the end of next week :D

[quote mumsneedwine]@notrub assume you are referring to Brits. Who were members of the EU for 50 years so have a v good idea how it works. Lots of us didn't want to leave. But I am glad we could buy our own vaccine and are not now reliant on the joint buying of the EU, which appears to be a massive cock up. So I hope countries now do their own thing (believe Hungary and Austria already have). But when EU and Macron denigrate a vaccine other countries listen. And won't use it,even if it could save thousands of lives. Your country might only have a few deaths, others don't. [/quote]
The fact you believe EU nations are "reliant" on the joint buying of the EU proves that you don't have a clue how the EU works.

I'll give you a clue though - the Daily Express/Mail/Telegraph/Sun are lying to you.

Feb - EU exported 8 million doses to the UK
UK exported [BLANK] doses to [BLANK]

Anyone care to fill in the blanks??

It’s on the main vaccine page from the news website. I don’t know how to link but google nyheder Dagens vaccinationstal. It’s in the ‘seneste opdateringer’ section.

Oh gawd please don't turn this into another Europe v UK thread.

@notrub

Feb - EU exported 8 million doses to the UK UK exported [BLANK] doses to [BLANK]

Anyone care to fill in the blanks??

I can't find the number of doses for your first BLANK but to fill in your second one:

Ascension Island, Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, St Helena, Tristan da Cunha, Turks and Caicos Islands, Guernsey.

I daresay if you dig around long enough you can find something to support a 'oh, but' for one or two of those, but many of them require considerable logistical arrangements besides provision of the vaccine.

And we didn't sell them. We gave them to a lot of those countries. Because we feel it's a moral obligation to help less wealthy nations. EU leaders need to stop whining and sort themselves out.

@notrub so why is the EU roll out so slow then ? Surely everyone could have done what UK did last year. Seemed a v good idea at the time. Seems even better now,

@newstart1234

It’s on the main vaccine page from the news website. I don’t know how to link but google nyheder Dagens vaccinationstal. It’s in the ‘seneste opdateringer’ section.

I still couldn't seem to find anything (but then I don't read Danish)? I t is easy to link @newstart1234, just cut and paste the link into your post.

I can't see anything on the Danish Health Authority Website (although I don't read Danish! The only mention of AZ seems to be from 11 March)

www.sst.dk/da/Nyheder

Right - no takers then - didn't expect any of course.

Brexshits can only ever tell you what the newspaper told them.