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Denmark/Europe and AZ

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 13:07

On another thread (which is now full up) posters were saying that Denmark has restarted the AZ vaccine. I can't find anything about this - does anyone have a link please!

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 16:01

@newstart1234 I found this on the news site you mentioned, published this afternoon which still refers to AZ being paused (I think)?

nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2021-03-17-ekspert-peger-paa-fire-scenarier-som-kan-blive-astrazenecas-skaebne

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 16:10

That article I linked to above is worth reading (with help from Google translate in my case) as it sets out the possible ways forward depending on what is discovered and what the EMA comes back with tomorrow. There certainly is no anti-UK tone to any of it!

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EasterIssland · 17/03/2021 16:21

thanks op! I was one of the ones asking where had people read it as I couldn't find it

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 16:25

@mumsneedwine

I heard it reported on Radio 5. They were interviewing a Danish politician. Maybe he was wrong 🤷‍♀️. Again EU threatening UK for not 'handing over vaccines'. But they're AZ so lots of EU not using them at moment. Oh and the UK not only paid for them but also paid a shed load of money developing them. EU has stockpiles as well as its own AZ factories - it is a half Swedish company. But hey, let's take it out on UK. When we have vaccinated our own you can have any spares.
@mumsneedwine what time was this? As I linked above the most recent news article I can find refers to AZ still being suspended.
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WhatHoJeeves · 17/03/2021 16:33

Brexshits can only ever tell you what the newspaper told them.

Glad to see we're living in a kinder world during this pandemic ...

And no, I know it isn't just you, notrub. Plenty of people on here quick to blame and antagonise, from the UK and European nations. Sad we can't see a little more balance and kindness.

newstart1234 · 17/03/2021 16:34

Yes the plot has thickened. The website isn’t clear atm. I saw it when it was on the live blog earlier but I can’t find it again. The quote on the page is ‘ Delivery schedule of doses to Denmark has been updated. Denmark again recognizes AstraZeneca’. That’s the extent I can get atm.

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 17:07

Yeah I can see the bit you mean Google translates "Leveringsplan af doser til Danmark er opdateret. Danmark indregner igen AstraZeneca" to "Delivery schedule of doses to Denmark has been updated. Denmark again recognizes AstraZeneca"

Maybe the translation is a bit off as I would have thought if the Danes had unsuspended AZ it would be on the news here? Who knows?

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pinkearedcow · 17/03/2021 17:08

Maybe it simply means they have had another batch of AZ delivered?

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newstart1234 · 17/03/2021 17:10

If I find the page I was reading earlier again, I will post a link.

Frogartist · 17/03/2021 17:21

@pinkearedcow

Yeah I can see the bit you mean Google translates "Leveringsplan af doser til Danmark er opdateret. Danmark indregner igen AstraZeneca" to "Delivery schedule of doses to Denmark has been updated. Denmark again recognizes AstraZeneca"

Maybe the translation is a bit off as I would have thought if the Danes had unsuspended AZ it would be on the news here? Who knows?

I ^think& they mean that AZ is included in the delivery schedule, which doesn't necessarily mean that they are using it at the moment, but I would have thought that it means that they are planning on using it again.
sonjadog · 17/03/2021 20:22

It says that they are waiting for information that will come on Thursday.

lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 17/03/2021 20:36

Still not had an answer anywhere to my question: the 'unusual' blood clotting incidents seen in Europe (not the UK) - where they linked to 1 or 2 doses of the AZ vaccine?

I'm genuinely pro vaccines in all shapes and form, including the AZ, but I'm genuinely curious.

Can anyone shed a light on this?

lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 17/03/2021 20:37

'were'

EasterIssland · 17/03/2021 20:38

@lightattheendofthetunnel2021

Still not had an answer anywhere to my question: the 'unusual' blood clotting incidents seen in Europe (not the UK) - where they linked to 1 or 2 doses of the AZ vaccine?

I'm genuinely pro vaccines in all shapes and form, including the AZ, but I'm genuinely curious.

Can anyone shed a light on this?

Taking into account the Eu approved the vaccine middle January and that they started vaccinating on the 27th of January I think ... And you need 12 weeks in between doses ... don’t think it’s been 12 weeks yet.
lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 17/03/2021 20:43

@EasterIssland Believe the EMA approved on the basis of 4-12 weeks between doses. In the UK, the strategy was to space both Pfizer and AZ out for 12 weeks to increase the number of people who would receive the first dose.

It would be interesting to know...

EasterIssland · 17/03/2021 21:44

[quote lightattheendofthetunnel2021]@EasterIssland Believe the EMA approved on the basis of 4-12 weeks between doses. In the UK, the strategy was to space both Pfizer and AZ out for 12 weeks to increase the number of people who would receive the first dose.

It would be interesting to know...[/quote]
I’m Spanish and just checked their records. Only 9 people have received the second dose. 1 person died over the weekend in Spain

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pinkearedcow · 18/03/2021 08:30

Anyone want to make a guess at what the EMA might say later today? I am wavering between either AZ will be deemed safe to use or there will be some link found that means certain groups of people should not have AZ.

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EasterIssland · 18/03/2021 08:32

Safe to use but continue investigating what is happening so more info coming in next weeks and there might be some exceptions about who could have problems. That’s my guess

NewLevelsOfTiredness · 18/03/2021 10:12

By the way, for the multiple people wondering "why investigate AZ and not Pfizer" this article explains well the unusual nature of the deaths following (probably coincidentally) the AZ one:

www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/03/it-s-very-special-picture-why-vaccine-safety-experts-put-brakes-astrazeneca-s-covid-19

Note that every expert in there talking about STILL thinks it's safer to have the vaccine - this isn't intended to increase fear.

Interesting bit at the end how with some of the nations, the population would be more likely to be vaccine skeptical if these unusual deaths were reported and no investigation took place.

newstart1234 · 18/03/2021 19:10

So when the az was paused around a week ago now, the delivery schedule was changed to remove it. The end date was set then pushed back to the end of August. Yesterday, the live blog said that the az was recognised again and I was pleased to see that the az was again incorporated into the delivery schedule. That’s when I posted on the other thread. I should’ve copied the link at that point I just didn’t think to, assuming it would be on the main website. Needless to say, the vaccine is back on the delivery schedule (vaccination program end date now set for July) and the ema has confirmed that, yes, it’s safe and effective. Result.

Cailleach1 · 18/03/2021 20:00

So, this is what they said. Benefits still outweigh risks.

EMA considers that the benefit-risk balance of the medicine remains positive, and there is no association with thromboembolic disorders overall. However, steps will be taken to update the SmPC and package leaflet with information on cases of DIC and CVST that have occurred.

Healthcare professionals are urged to be alert for possible cases of thromboembolism, DIC or CVST occurring in vaccinated individuals.

www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-benefits-still-outweigh-risks-despite-possible-link-rare-blood-clots

EasterIssland · 18/03/2021 21:16

@EasterIssland

Safe to use but continue investigating what is happening so more info coming in next weeks and there might be some exceptions about who could have problems. That’s my guess
I guess I could guess the euromillions numbers as easy as to what the Ema was going to say Smile
NewLevelsOfTiredness · 19/03/2021 13:48

Well, Denmark's not going to start using it yet it seems. They expect to, but they're using the planned two week pause to finish their investigation.
Some points made by the guy leading the press conference (obviously it wasn't in Danish so I'm both translating and giving a summary:

  • It is purely because the extreme symptoms of one patient combined with the extreme cases in Norway that the concern is there - blood clots they can treat, they weren't able to save this woman despite starting treatment soon after she got sick. Normal blood clots wouldn't have caused a stir (hence no Pfizer related investigations)
  • If it had happened in the middle of the winter we'd probably have continued with it, but with an average of 1 death per day for the last week, a low and falling number in hospital and a flat infection rate we simply have the time to complete the internal investigation.
  • Despite the remote possibility of a link to the jab he'd take it today and wouldn't be remotely worried - but they have a duty.
  • The outcomes in order of likelihood are : Denmark starts using it again the week after next, Denmark starts using it again at that point on specific groups, Denmark stops using it.
NewLevelsOfTiredness · 19/03/2021 13:49

Obviously it WAS in Danish, I mean....

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